HSMP should be considered as mark of quality

[Ashwin2005]

Dear all,

Considering the rigorous process we are going through in getting HSMP, and considering that the HSMP holders were top professionals in their own country before coming to UK, I feel employers should be confidently recruiting HSMP visa holders. HSMP holders’ experience and education credentials are verified by none other than UK Immigration department, so this frees the employers the hassle of checking the candidate’s background. I feel HSMP is a mark of quality. What do you think?

Regards,
Ashwin

[olisun]

u mean without even conducting interviews?

[yodiyokun]

u mean without even conducting interviews?

definitely not without interviews...
we all know that recruitment isnt based only on choosing someone with the skill set... other factors come into play depending on the industry and corporate culture
but they should give more hsmp visa holders a chance at interviews.
it is ridiculous to turn them down without a fair hearing cos of an expiry date on the visa.

[olisun]

I think one of the reasons why the recruiters / agencies are hesitating to give chances to the HSMP candidates is because they are not able to prove the stuff what's written on their CV

Like in one of my earlier threads I had mentioned about 2 candidates not able to answer the simplest of questions related to what's written on their CV

[majic]

Well,

Knowing what HSMP is. I think and you all agree that if you are conviencing on paper "You will get it". No verification, no authentication. I mean i got it in 7 working days....How they hell could anyone veryify a 100 documents that I sent to them.

So its not at all a mark of quality. I feel they should do alot more scrutiny then they are currently doing.

Regards

[timefactor]

I don't think it is too difficult to get experience letters and supporting documents to get 50 points. Friend of mine is here on HSMP and 50 points out of 65 got from experience letter (for system analyst) issued by his employer though he worked in the company as clerk.

He works here in local Tesco at checkouts

[olisun]

he will probably get an extension and eventually ILR cause he is economically active

here nobody checks if he/she is actually working in their chosen field

[amhilde]

I would agree on the more stringent checks statement- but for a different reason. I just got royally screwed over by a guy who only checked what was on my CV to make a refusal based on a NARIC check, when its obvious from what I also included that Ive done far and above what they gave me for educational value, and equivalent with a UK masters. If I dont get it on appeal then I will chalk the UK up as useless and move on.

Ive done work on their new Gambling Bill and the whole HSMP thing strikes me as a similar case- someone thought it would be a really great idea and a way to provide some industries with qualified people the country isnt churning out at the moment. Unfortunately, like most things in England, the policy and implications werent thought out quite completely ( thank god gambling was caught in time). Im really surprised there isnt a quota system like we use here in the US. I doubt this "free for all" will last much longer.

We all know too that getting HSMP isnt a guarantee for anything. Its not a guarantee for EC, not a guarantee for employment, its certainly not a guarantee for a better life. All it is is an opportunity and it is up to the applicant to make the most of the opportunity. I would be willing to bet of the X number of applicants accepted, it is assumed that X wont pass EC, or X will not go t the UK due to other issues at home, and upon arrival, X wont get FLR or X will return home due to lack of funds or have become disgruntled with the UK. Its survival of the fittest- those who do not have the qualifications and who did sneak through the HSMP process will eventually get kicked out by the system. Unfortunately this tends to make an impression on the quality of HSMP holders in general, and only makes it difficult for those from the same country/same field to get a job. But for those who stick it out, who integrate into the community and do in fact intend to make the UK their main home, as we are asked to do in a written statement, then this program is a good fit for them. I would hardly call myself a top expert in the US in anything, but for some strange reason I care far more about what happens in Doncaster than Des Moines, or how casinos are distributed in this country than my own, so HSMP is good for me. Now if they would only accept my app.....

[Ashwin2005]

We are all here to get HSMP and looking for good opportunities. I am actually working in an european earning more than 80,000 Euros per year. I wish to move to UK only to put my children in good schools and give them good education and quality life. I am not sure if I will be able to earn as much as money in UK as am earning now. But I take the risk.

What I am saying is there are many more like me who are high in their profession elsewhere but still move to UK for settling there. Companies hiring such persons would benefit from their experience and skills.

[Rog]

HSMP is indeed survial of fittest. Most UK based contributors to this board are IT professionals who do not seem to have any difficulty in finding a high paying job in the 1st year itself. It is good that they are able to enjoy the true luxuries of UK life. However for non-IT professionals it is a tough struggle having to start at a lower level once again with very little importance being given to your experience and qualifications from your home country. I could get a permanent job only after the 3 year extension at a lower level than my home country but at least now I am now in better situation than the 1st year. Before entering UK one had a different impression of HSMP. To be fair to the applicants, the scheme should have been sector specific like the US H1-B visa and should have been given in sectors where there is a genuine demand for professionals. But I sincerely hope that with more and more persons with HSMP coming into UK, the employers attitude changes and the incoming HSMP visa holders are able to get greater success in the job market.

[dokwal]

hsmp visa is nothing to employers & AGENCIES unless it is IT or short term / temporary jobs

u need to have UK qualification and british experience of atleast 2years for jobs of 30 k or more

please think 10 times before coming here it is very though market

there are success storeis they r 5 in 100 but dont go on them , u can come here first on visit and judge and then resign yr present job

it is really hard for SENIORS
rgds

[amhilde]

dokwal do you speak only of the IT market? And I cant imagine anyone considering a life changing move to NOT have actually visited where they are moving to!

[olisun]

most of the HSMP applicants have taken this as an easy opportunity to move to the UK without worrying about the future too much

[timefactor]

Exactly, HO just want to know they are economically active or not

he will probably get an extension and eventually ILR cause he is economically active

here nobody checks if he/she is actually working in their chosen field

[amhilde]

I would argue that there is beneficial economic activity and unbeneficial economic activity. I doubt that the work done by a checker at Tescos comes into the former category. The British didnt open up this scheme so that they could have cheap labor- they opened it up so that highly skilled migrants would economically benefit the UK market by providing critical support in high-technology fields, or bringing innovation and knowledge that could expand other sectors of the UK economy, bringing jobs and investment. I understand that it can take a while to settle in somewhere new, especially when you are a foreigner, but the HO should really take a more in depth look at how people are progressing rather than saying well, hey, you are working so you are ok, here is another 4 years.