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Plum70, this is far from being clear the way i see it. Besides many immigration officials want to exercise thier own rules on visa nationals upon arrival at the ports of entry. I once arrived at Stockholm with a valid family visit visa, & the immigaration officer had to call my family to confirm they were expecting me. Being avisa national, i was the last pax to leave immigration as the rest of the pax on that same flight were all EU citizens. Since then i've never gone through such a simillar expereince on arrival any where in Europe, not even in Stockholm the rest of the times i've been there.Its like member states are relactant to impliment the Directive, or each member state interprets the Directive differently.Where as the major issue in this Directive is all about freemovent. I see no reasons, why member states do put restrictions to the beneficiaries of the Directives even when in posession of a valid EU Residence card, issued by amember state.Plum70 wrote:I think the rules are quite clear that where a non EEA family member is travelling alone they need to obtain schengen visa for such trip irrespective of any residence permits held. Someone correct me if wrong.The immigration officer emphesized that in order to travel to Sweden my European wife should be travelling with me.
With respect to travelling alone the Directive is very clear as she pointed out.DFDS. wrote:Plum70, this is far from being clear the way i see it.Plum70 wrote: I think the rules are quite clear that where a non EEA family member is travelling alone they need to obtain schengen visa for such trip irrespective of any residence permits held. Someone correct me if wrong.
86ti wrote:With respect to travelling alone the Directive is very clear as she pointed out.DFDS. wrote:Plum70, this is far from being clear the way i see it.Plum70 wrote: I think the rules are quite clear that where a non EEA family member is travelling alone they need to obtain schengen visa for such trip irrespective of any residence permits held. Someone correct me if wrong.
I may agree with you Directive 2004/EC!, its very important to carry with you such documents which establishes your relationship with the EU qualified person.It will also save you lots of time and hustles.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I doubt there would be any problem. There is no requirement to exactly coordinate travel plans.
Always best for the non-EU to also carry a photocopy of the passport of the EU and a photocopy of the marriage certificate.
DFDS. wrote:I may agree with you Directive 2004/EC!, its very important to carry with you such documents which establishes your relationship with the EU qualified person.It will also save you lots of time and hustles.Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:I doubt there would be any problem. There is no requirement to exactly coordinate travel plans.
Always best for the non-EU to also carry a photocopy of the passport of the EU and a photocopy of the marriage certificate.
AncientAlien wrote:What surprised me most was the fact that my passport was not stamped at any airport although I am sure there will be some electronic records of my journey stored somewhere.
Directive 2004/38/EC Article 5(3) wrote:3. The host Member State shall not place an entry or exit stamp in the passport of family members
who are not nationals of a Member State provided that they present the residence card provided for
in Article 10.
AncientAlien wrote:We were not asked for the marriage certificate, maybe because my wife has changed her name on her passport to my family name.
(You do not need to produce your marriage certificate.)Directive 2004/38/EC Article 5 wrote:Right of entry
1. Without prejudice to the provisions on travel documents applicable to national border controls,
Member States shall grant Union citizens leave to enter their territory with a valid identity card or
passport and shall grant family members who are not nationals of a Member State leave to enter
their territory with a valid passport.
No entry visa or equivalent formality may be imposed on Union citizens.
2. Family members who are not nationals of a Member State shall only be required to have an
entry visa in accordance with Regulation (EC) No 539/2001 or, where appropriate, with national
law. For the purposes of this Directive, possession of the valid residence card referred to in
Article 10 shall exempt such family members from the visa requirement.
I reported a similar experience earlier in this thread (Sep or Oct 2008). Yes, with Latvia it seems to have been working correctly for a long while now. Through which UK airport did you return?AncientAlien wrote:I have just recently returned from a six-day holiday to Latvia. The whole travel process was completely hassle free, although I must add that I was with my spouce who is an EEA citizen (Latvian).
Thanks for the valuable "real life" feedback. What country's passport was your wife travelling with? Did the French stamp her passport with an entry stamp?Skiingswede1980 wrote:I have posted previously in this thread and am now happy to report that my wife was able to travel with me hassle-free into France without a visa. She has a "Family member of an EEA national Residence Permit" (EEA2) here in the UK and I am a Swedish national
That is a tall order. What is reality? Remember that any border guard can have different knowledge of the rules, so person A may have one experience going into Spain while person B has a very different experience.runie80 wrote:Just wanted to seperate between theoury and reality.
as in the first post theoritically its possible for every country but I want to list in this post all countries where its in reality been tested and found to be the case.
Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:That is a tall order. What is reality? Remember that any border guard can have different knowledge of the rules, so person A may have one experience going into Spain while person B has a very different experience.runie80 wrote:Just wanted to seperate between theoury and reality.
as in the first post theoritically its possible for every country but I want to list in this post all countries where its in reality been tested and found to be the case.
Fantastic !!Skiingswede1980 wrote:Further to the above and to provide more "real-life" feedback. My wife has also travelled with me visa-free to Sweden without any hassle whatsoever and that time we flew with Ryanair.
Sweden has no problem at all, I was told the same thing here in Swedish embassy in Romania that family members of an EU can accompany the EU spouse to Sweden with visa..runie80 wrote:Fantastic !!Skiingswede1980 wrote:Further to the above and to provide more "real-life" feedback. My wife has also travelled with me visa-free to Sweden without any hassle whatsoever and that time we flew with Ryanair.
Thanks for posting this as we are thinking about sweden for holiday.