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SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 10:38 am

Hi Guys,

Today I have received may documents back with refusal letter.
The points awarded are:

Education - 15 (Claimed 15)
Experience - 25 (Claimed 50 for 10 yrs experience, 5 years in specialist )
Partner - 10 (Claimed 10)

Seem they have not considered my specialist level experience, strange in the refusal letter they have mentioned that I have not provided sufficient evidence to demonstrate 2 years specialist/senior level experience.however I claimed for 5 yrs specialist and provided detailed job description.

Planning to go for review. Any idea how long it takes for free review decision? also how effectively I can claim review?

Is it possible to talk to case worker now?

Regards
SK

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:15 am

Also, Is the case process by same case worker in the 1st review?

majic · Post by **majic** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:17 am

No. A different Case worker reviews the case.

Ashwin2005 · Post by **Ashwin2005** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:06 pm

SpiderKing,

Sorry to know about your case. I am sure, you will be able to make it during the Review.

By the way,

(1) What type of evidences did you provide to prove that your service as Specialist service?
(2) You posted on 2nd September the status you got from HSMP team as "Yet to be allocated to the caseworker". Does that mean that during the last one week it was allocated to a caseworker, decision made, and documents posted back?

Good luck with your review application.

With best wishes,
Ashwin

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:58 pm

Ashwin2005 wrote:SpiderKing,

Sorry to know about your case. I am sure, you will be able to make it during the Review.

By the way,

(1) What type of evidences did you provide to prove that your service as Specialist service?

I provided company reference letter with detailed job description. They have awarded 25 points that means they have considered my experience at graduate level. Only thing is specialist level was not considered.

Ashwin2005 wrote: (2) You posted on 2nd September the status you got from HSMP team as "Yet to be allocated to the caseworker". Does that mean that during the last one week it was allocated to a caseworker, decision made, and documents posted back?

Thats right, allocation & decision has been taken this week only.

Ashwin2005 wrote: Good luck with your review application.

With best wishes,
Ashwin

amithanda · Post by **amithanda** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 2:58 pm

Also follow the Case Worker Manual which is now posted as a sticky to see
where you can improve.

amhilde · Post by **amhilde** » Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:26 pm

The "free" review is the appeal process whereby you request the HO to reconsider the documentation you already have in. A source of mine indicated that its been taking 4-6 weeks though a new review team has been put in place (im mystified by all the shuffling of teams here) and they are trying to speed up the process. Then there is poor JhonnyECU who appealed and that somehow got lost in the process and its been 10 weeks. Mine went in almost 3 weeks ago, so I would expect a decision here shortly. THe application is reconsidered by a different HO person, and, from what ive read, someone who is a level above the original caseworker.

Check your submission against the guidelines for specialist experience to see if you have what they are looking for. If you dont, then you may want to submit a new application with additional information that they are looking for.

You can talk to your caseworker and in your instance you may want to as they can give you good information on what that section was lacking and if you should appeal or resubmit. I was able to talk to my caseworker and yelled down the phone for 15 minutes, but got the confirmation of my belief that he didnt go by the caseworker manual when he assessed my application. I would recommend staying calm

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:28 am

Thanks amhilde,

I never expected rejection coz I am truly in specialist level (more then specialist). He defiantly have missed something.

My employer reference was to the point and mentioned my duties very well. At least I was very much satisfied. Being in this industry for last 10 years, I thing I am able to point out what is specialist level in my field.

I have worked in more then 6 countries. I am least bothered by HSMP coz I have got hundreds of option to be in this country lawfully. Also I might move to Canada.

If I talk to case worker what out come can I expect?

Regards
SK

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 12:34 pm

as a 'specialist level ', you must done special training in a particular area of the field you worked. and your experience must building on this level.
if you think you reach this requirement, then do the appeal.

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 2:02 pm

ukpermit wrote:as a 'specialist level ', you must done special training in a particular area of the field you worked. and your experience must building on this level.
if you think you reach this requirement, then do the appeal.

Is it really necessary to have training? I have never undergone any training in my life.

Regards
SK

bani · Post by **bani** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 5:21 pm

For a specialist position, it's much easier to claim it if particular training or a higher degree was required. Did your job description say what highly technical skills or knowledge is required for the position? Also, did you include a heirarchy chart or description of where your position lies in the company? Did you say how many employees you supervise?

JhonnyECU · Post by **JhonnyECU** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:10 pm

hi spiderking,

have you gotten a chance to speak with your CW?

do an intensive search of ALL senior position threads here. there is PLENTY of info of people, who did it better or worse. PM them and get all the info you can get to either fax a review (this is the ONLY free process) OR prepare a much better explained and supported NEW full price application.

keep us updated

regards

jhonny

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:26 am

Thanks guys for extending your moral support.

I thing hierarchy chart is not required in my case coz I didn't claimed for senior level. However my job description clearly mentioned the number of people I am heading. Also, it gives job descriptions, which almost match to caseworker guide note.

Basically I am in the IT field where it is very difficult to identify specialist level and most of the people gain specialist skill through past experience.

I am just wondering what are the consequences if we talk to case worker.

Thanks JhonnyECU, I am trying to fetch information from this board.

Thanks all, pls post information if you have which you think, might be helpful in my case. specially the guys who have succeeded in specialist level in first review.

Thanks
SK

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:22 am

in IT industry, position like system analyst and IT technical sales specialist are a 'specialist level '.
specialist or not is depend on your job discription, shows you have extra experience than others, may not have to be a sinior level, but in a specialist field.

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:55 pm

Guys,

Just now called HO and adviser told me that You can not speak to caseworker. He said if you think your decision is wrong then you
may apply for reviw.

How you guys talk to case worker?

Regards
SK

bani · Post by **bani** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:04 pm

I claimed specialist points last year and my caseworker specifically asked for a heirarchy chart (asked for additional evidence). Since one was not available, I asked the manager of the department to describe my position there in relation to everyone else (who my boss was, how big the group I worked with was). This is in addition to the detailed job description. I didn't think a heirarchy chart was necessary either, but apparently it was.

That's too bad that they didn't allow you to talk to your caseworker. Rules must have changed again.

SpiderKing wrote:Thanks guys for extending your moral support.

I thing hierarchy chart is not required in my case coz I didn't claimed for senior level. However my job description clearly mentioned the number of people I am heading. Also, it gives job descriptions, which almost match to caseworker guide note.

JhonnyECU · Post by **JhonnyECU** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 2:51 pm

Hi SK,

dont accept no as an answer. go ahead and try to convince those young operators to let you 'verify some notes with your caseworker'.

mate, look, those refusal letters are SOO ambiguos

that the minute your caseworker starts explaining his/her reasons in detail, you will have TONS of info to put on your review request. most importantly, ASK this person directly 'how could i prove this points?" or "what can i do to solve this problem?" build enough rapport with this person for her to "be in your sandals" and HELP you

try to see one post related to a link to the "caseworkers' review guide" made recently, this might give you a good idea of what the rules are like.

i personally have spoken with both of my former CWs and have had LOTS of fundamental feedback. well, as with anyone, dont trust them too much because the last 'very nice and kind' CW for example, who confirmed reception of my review request fax, had NOT passed it onto the review team but SIX weeks after we spoke...and to our surprise, she is not answering my emails...

boooo...HO can be a very spooky place sometimes, innit!?

when did you receive the refusal? what is the date on it?

you have to be quick sk!

keep us updated

cheers

jhonny

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:02 pm

Thanks Jhonny,

I received on 9th Sep and date on letter is 7th.

What is the best way you think for applying for review?

Fax or mail?

Regards
SK

amhilde · Post by **amhilde** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:26 pm

SK- i faxed- no use in screwing around with mail for this. Then i called AND emailed for verification of receipt.

SpiderKing · Post by **SpiderKing** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:21 pm

Guys,

3 page letter to HSMP ok for review.

Regards
SK

amhilde · Post by **amhilde** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 6:28 pm

SK- mine was long, then i figured it had to be concise, or they wouldnt read it. Also, i divided it up by points and bolded the top of each different section so that they COULDNT miss what i was basing my appeal on. If you want, I can email you my example- pm me your email and ill shoot it over.

Three may be excessive, i would say no more than two.

BTW i have had notification my appeal decision was made on 9 September and is in the post. I should get it by Monday. So that was a two week turn on my appeal, though mine was very straight forward. Hopefully this time they didnt nail me on work experience for some stupid reason.

Ashwin2005 · Post by **Ashwin2005** » Sun Sep 25, 2005 3:30 pm

SpiderKing

Have you submitted your review?

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