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New Guidelines for EU Free Movement of EU citizen & Fam

Post by pierre75 » Wed Jul 01, 2009 1:52 pm

The new guidelines of the directive 2004/38 will be introduced tomorrow, July 2nd, as stated by the agenda of Jacques Barrot, European Commissioner for Justice, Freedom and Security.

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Be carreful, the news is only available in the French version of Barrot's website. If you choose the website in english, not a word about this news !!!

So the only possibility to get the news in english is to go to the website in french and translate it in english with google translator.

Original in French (Oui, c'est là) :
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/ ... ult_fr.htm

Original in English (not a word about) :
http://ec.europa.eu/commission_barroso/ ... ult_en.htm

Translation from French to English by Google (Yes, here we are):
http://translate.google.nl/translate?js ... ry_state0=
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Post by Plum70 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 1:29 am

Thanks for this! Will be keeping my eye on this one.

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Post by charles4u » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:21 am

Plum70 wrote:Thanks for this! Will be keeping my eye on this one.
Me too, we are all waiting...
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Post by Obie » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:11 pm

This is the link to the guidelines.

It states it is not legally binding and not aimed at member states implementation of the directive.

It doesn't state much, or would affect much change in my view.

http://www.eumonitor.net/modules.php?op ... sid=131510

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Post by 86ti » Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:44 pm

Seems basically useless.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:16 pm

It would be interesting to see the actual guidelines. Has anyone found them yet?

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Post by pierre75 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:33 pm

I hope, without too much illusion, that the Communication original document of the Commission to the Parliament and the members states will be more detailed than the press release.

I called Barrot desk this morning in order to get it. They said they will call me back … so I will call them back tomorrow.

We are very new in France with the use of the 2004/38 for ourselves. Until the last few years, the French national legislation regarding French-3rd country binational families was quite ok but they started to make it harder from 2006.

In fact, the French authorities developed a very sophisticated system of administrative challenge of the legitimacy of the couples to exercise their rights on the ground of possible abuse without letting the couple to go to the Court to challenge the challenge. When, finally, after few months or years, the couple succeeds to register for a Trial, so the administration suddenly delivers the visa/residence document just before the trial in order to avoid to be condemned on the ground of false/no evidences.

They call it "To Regulate family immigration". No need to have extraordinary hard laws, only administrative challenge of the legitimacy of the couples and the possibility to keep them away of the Judicial system as long as possible.

On top of fraud concerns and social burden, it is mostly the hidden demographic stake behind that matters for our government.

So we suspect France wants to settle a similar process with the 2004/38. Administrative challenge of the rights of the people on artificially forged ground. So the EU new guidelines are important for us even if we can bet that they will be carrefull to keep some areas in shadow.
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Post by pierre75 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 2:57 pm

http://europa.eu/rapid/pressReleasesAct ... anguage=en

Not the guidelines yet but a little bit more detailed memo.
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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:10 pm

That looks like exactly the same content...

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Post by pierre75 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 3:19 pm

It is the same. :roll:
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Post by pierre75 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 5:24 pm

Here are the guidelines.

Il somebody tells me how to post a word document, it will be better and I will delete this (long) message ...

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COMMISSION OF THE EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES
Brussels,
COM(2009) 313/4

COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION
TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL
on guidance for better transposition and application of Directive 2004/38/EC on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States

COMMUNICATION FROM THE COMMISSION
TO THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND THE COUNCIL
on guidance for better transposition and application of Directive 2004/38/EC on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States

(Text with EEA relevance)
1. INTRODUCTION
On 10 December 2008, the Commission adopted its report on the application of Directive 2004/38/EC which presented a comprehensive overview of how the Directive is transposed into national law and how it is applied in everyday life.
The report concluded that the overall transposition of the Directive was rather disappointing, particularly as regards Chapter VI (which provides for the right of Member States to restrict the right of EU citizens and their family members on grounds of public policy or public security) and Article 35 (which authorises Member States to adopt measures to prevent abuse and fraud, such as marriages of convenience).
The Commission announced in the report its intention to offer information and assistance to both Member States and EU citizens by issuing guidelines in the first half of 2009 on the issues identified as problematic in transposition or application. This intention was welcomed by the Council and by the European Parliament . The guidelines state the views of the Commission and are without prejudice to the case-law of the Court of Justice (“the Courtâ€
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Post by Obie » Thu Jul 02, 2009 6:09 pm

One of the area i find interesting, is the one where they specify state that the resident card can be used as an entry visa when traveling with your family member.

I hope the UK and Ireland will read this part attentively

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Post by freon21 » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:26 pm

This is interesting as well:
2.2.2. Residence cards
As stipulated in Article 10(1), the right of residence of third country family members is evidenced by the issuing of a document called "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen". The denomination of this residence card must not deviate from the wording prescribed by the Directive as different titles would make it materially impossible for the residence card to be recognised in other Member States as exempting its holder from the visa requirement under Article 5(2).
The format of the residence card is not fixed, so Member States are free to lay it down as they see fit . 2.2.2. Residence cards
As stipulated in Article 10(1), the right of residence of third country family members is evidenced by the issuing of a document called "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen". The denomination of this residence card must not deviate from the wording prescribed by the Directive as different titles would make it materially impossible for the residence card to be recognised in other Member States as exempting its holder from the visa requirement under Article 5(2).
The format of the residence card is not fixed, so Member States are free to lay it down as they see fit . However, the residence card must be issued as a self-standing document and not in form of a sticker in a passport, as this could limit the validity of the card in violation of Article 11(1).

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Post by Ben » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:26 pm

Directive 2004/38/EC, Article 3(2) wrote:2. Without prejudice to any right to free movement and residence the persons concerned may have
in their own right, the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national legislation, facilitate
entry and residence for the following persons:
(a) any other family members, irrespective of their nationality, not falling under the definition in
point 2 of Article 2 who, in the country from which they have come, are dependants or
members of the household of the Union citizen having the primary right of residence, or
where serious health grounds strictly require the personal care of the family member by the
Union citizen;
Let's zoom in..
are dependants or members of the household
.

So, members of the household of the Union citizen are not required to be also dependent on the Union citizen.

However..
MEMO/09/311 wrote: When can a member of the household be considered "dependent"?

A family member is ‘dependent’ when material support for that family member is provided by the EU citizen or by their spouse/partner.

In order to determine whether family members are dependent, it must be assessed in the individual case whether, having regard to their financial and social conditions, they need material support to meet their essential needs in their country of origin or the country from which they came at the time when they applied to join the EU citizen.

The Directive does not lay down any requirement as to the minimum duration of the dependency or the amount of material support provided, as long as the dependency is genuine and structural in character.

Dependent family members are required to present documentary evidence that they are dependent.
These guidelines seem to insinuate that at least a degree of dependency on the Union citizen is required, by a non-EU national family member of the Union citizen, who was a member of the household of the Union citizen in the country from which they have come.

For members of the household of the Union citizen, these guidelines cause confusion to an area of the Directive which is already quite clear. Why?
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Post by Obie » Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:36 pm

I think you are very right.

This part doesn't seem to conform with the directive.

Dependency and membership of the same household are mutually exclusive as stated clearly on the directive.

I think it obscure the area it is intending to clarify.

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Post by Tobbe » Fri Jul 03, 2009 12:30 am

For members of the household of the Union citizen, these guidelines cause confusion to an area of the Directive which is already quite clear. Why?
I think thats just the memo being wrong and not the actual guidelines.
When can a member of the household be considered "dependent"?
Surley it was supposed to be:
When can a family member be considered "dependent"?

From pierre75 post:
2.1.4. Dependent family members
According to the case-law of the Court, the status of ‘dependent’ family member is the result of a factual situation characterised by the fact that material support for that family member is provided by the EU citizen or by his spouse/partner. The status of dependent family members does not presuppose a right to maintenance. There is no need to examine whether the family members concerned would in theory be able to support themselves, for example by taking up paid employment.
In order to determine whether family members are dependent, it must be assessed in the individual case whether, having regard to their financial and social conditions, they need material support to meet their essential needs in their country of origin or the country from which they came at the time when they applied to join the EU citizen (i.e. not in the host Member State where the EU citizen resides). In its judgments on the concept of dependency, the Court did not refer to any level of standard of living for determining the need for financial support by the EU citizen .
The Directive does not lay down any requirement as to the minimum duration of the dependency or the amount of material support provided, as long as the dependency is genuine and structural in character.
Dependent family members are required to present documentary evidence that they are dependent. Evidence may be adduced by any appropriate means, as confirmed by the Court . Where the family members concerned are able to provide evidence of their dependency by means other than a certifying document issued by the relevant authority of the country of origin or the country from which the family members are arriving, the host Member State may not refuse to recognise their rights. However, a mere undertaking from the EU citizen to support the family member concerned is not sufficient in itself to establish the existence of dependence.
In accordance with Article 3(2), Member States have a certain degree of discretion in laying down criteria to be taken into account when deciding whether to grant the rights under the Directive to "other dependent family members". However, Member States do not enjoy unrestricted liberty in laying down such criteria. In order to maintain the unity of the family in a broad sense, the national legislation must provide for a careful examination of the relevant personal circumstances of the applicants concerned, taking into consideration their relationship with the EU citizen or any other circumstances, such as their financial or physical dependence, as stipulated in Recital 6.
Any negative decision is subject to all the material and procedural safeguards of the Directive. It must be fully justified in writing and open to appeal.
This is just for other dependent family members so the "or" in the directive is still intact.

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Post by DFDS. » Fri Jul 03, 2009 1:39 pm

Looks like a certain part of the directive 3.(2) its self is being diluted, or kind of deviation from the original meaning!
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Post by Prawo » Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:15 am

Dutch MFA published the guidelines on its website.

It's a pdf file with bookmarks.

Don't worry, they are in English ;)

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Post by DFDS. » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:37 pm

benifa wrote:
Directive 2004/38/EC, Article 3(2) wrote:2. Without prejudice to any right to free movement and residence the persons concerned may have
in their own right, the host Member State shall, in accordance with its national legislation, facilitate
entry and residence for the following persons:
(a) any other family members, irrespective of their nationality, not falling under the definition in
point 2 of Article 2 who, in the country from which they have come, are dependants or
members of the household of the Union citizen having the primary right of residence, or
where serious health grounds strictly require the personal care of the family member by the
Union citizen;
Let's zoom in..
are dependants or members of the household
.

So, members of the household of the Union citizen are not required to be also dependent on the Union citizen.

However..
MEMO/09/311 wrote: When can a member of the household be considered "dependent"?

A family member is ‘dependent’ when material support for that family member is provided by the EU citizen or by their spouse/partner.

In order to determine whether family members are dependent, it must be assessed in the individual case whether, having regard to their financial and social conditions, they need material support to meet their essential needs in their country of origin or the country from which they came at the time when they applied to join the EU citizen.

The Directive does not lay down any requirement as to the minimum duration of the dependency or the amount of material support provided, as long as the dependency is genuine and structural in character.

Dependent family members are required to present documentary evidence that they are dependent.
These guidelines seem to insinuate that at least a degree of dependency on the Union citizen is required, by a non-EU national family member of the Union citizen, who was a member of the household of the Union citizen in the country from which they have come.

For members of the household of the Union citizen, these guidelines cause confusion to an area of the Directive which is already quite clear. Why?
Good enough, HO website is still clear on this issue. It clearly states that there is no dependency test, where a Non-EU citizen has resided under the same roof with the EU sponsor before and after coming to UK!
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Post by Obie » Sat Jul 04, 2009 4:42 pm

DFDS i think, it was the memo that wasn't clear.It was written incorrectly.

The Guidelines itself refers to dependent family member and not family member in the same household, for whom the presence in the household wherein the EU national has primary ownership, is enough for dependency.

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Post by acme4242 » Wed Jul 08, 2009 4:18 am

Hi pierre75

How can we ask for clarification for the new added lines

2.2. Entry and residence of third country family members
2.2.1. Entry visas
:
Residence cards issued under Article 10 of the Directive to a family member of an EU citizen residing in the host Member State, including those issued by other Member States, exempt their holders from the visa requirement when they travel together with the EU citizen or join him/her in the host Member State.

Residence cards not issued under the Directive can exempt the holder from the visa requirement under Schengen rules .

Residence cards not issued under the Directive can exempt the holder from the visa requirement under Schengen rules .

Does this new line refer to National Resident Family Permits
e.g. issued to the spouse of a British or Irish Citizens living in their own country.

How can we ask the Commission to clarify, who is the intended beneficiary
of this new line.

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Post by 86ti » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:16 am

acme4242 wrote:Residence cards not issued under the Directive can exempt the holder from the visa requirement under Schengen rules.
Do Schengen rules have anything to say about non-Schengen residence permits? I do not think so. This point is very clear in my opinion.

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Post by Directive/2004/38/EC » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:20 am

86ti wrote:
acme4242 wrote:Residence cards not issued under the Directive can exempt the holder from the visa requirement under Schengen rules.
Do Schengen rules have anything to say about non-Schengen residence permits? I do not think so. This point is very clear in my opinion.
Actually if you read the Schengen rules carefully, it talks about no visa being needed if somebody has a residence card issued by "a member state".

It is a bit unclear what is meant by "a member state" here. Normally that means any EU member state (including UK Ireland Romania and Bulgaria). You could claim it means only a participant in the Schengen agreement, but it certainly does not say that anywhere.

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Post by 86ti » Wed Jul 08, 2009 8:49 am

Directive/2004/38/EC wrote:
86ti wrote:
acme4242 wrote:Residence cards not issued under the Directive can exempt the holder from the visa requirement under Schengen rules.
Do Schengen rules have anything to say about non-Schengen residence permits? I do not think so. This point is very clear in my opinion.
Actually if you read the Schengen rules carefully, it talks about no visa being needed if somebody has a residence card issued by "a member state".

It is a bit unclear what is meant by "a member state" here. Normally that means any EU member state (including UK Ireland Romania and Bulgaria). You could claim it means only a participant in the Schengen agreement, but it certainly does not say that anywhere.
I think the definition of 'residence permit' in the Schengen Acquis is quite clear. The UK and Ireland do not participate in the immigration related provisions of the acquis so I would think that 'contracting party' does not include them.
Schengen Acquis wrote:Residence permit shall mean an authorisation of whatever type issued by a contracting party which grants right of residence within its territory. This definition shall not include temporary permission to reside in the territory of a contracting party for the purposes of processing an application for asylum or a residence permit;
Article 21(1) therein appears to be quite explicit too.
Schengen Acquis, Article 21(1) wrote:Aliens who hold valid residence permits issued by one of the contracting parties may, on the basis of that permit and a valid travel document, move freely for up to three months within the territories of the other contracting parties, provided that they fulfill the entry conditions referred to in Article 5(1)(a), (c) and (e) and are not on the national list of alerts of the contracting party concerned.

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Post by 86ti » Wed Jul 08, 2009 9:02 am

The 'Schengen Borders Code' also mentions that all residence permits follow a common format according to Council Regulation (EC) No 1030/2002.

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