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Hisop wrote:hi,
i was refused visa under deception , CCL case...now i'd liek to apply for dependant visa as my husabnd is a full time student in London...any chances of getting / rejection??..i came back in Feb 09 before a period of 28 days on my own
will deception be an obstacle in obtaining dependent visa??
Pls suggest....im dead scared!!
thanks
Fully agree with Casa. This is not the first time this has been done.I think he should be careful because some poor sod will litterally take his advise and end up with serious consequencesImmigrationUK, this is a sweeping statement for a legal advisor to make without knowing the full facts of the refusal. The CCL cases are complex with appeals pending from students. This may fall into the same category as Obie has pointed out.
Are you OISC registered, or is this just the impression from your display name?
I fully agree with obie and batleykhan. UK_Banned_Member has been giving reckless wrong advises at other places as well. UK_Banned_Member need to specify whether he is talking about his opinion or law.batleykhan wrote:Fully agree with Casa. This is not the first time this has been done.I think he should be careful because some poor sod will litterally take his advise and end up with serious consequencesImmigrationUK, this is a sweeping statement for a legal advisor to make without knowing the full facts of the refusal. The CCL cases are complex with appeals pending from students. This may fall into the same category as Obie has pointed out.
Are you OISC registered, or is this just the impression from your display name?
sop wrote:hi,
i was refused visa under deception , CCL case...now i'd liek to apply for dependant visa as my husabnd is a full time student in London...any chances of getting / rejection??..i came back in Feb 09 before a period of 28 days on my own
will deception be an obstacle in obtaining dependant visa??
Pls suggest....im dead scared!!
thanks
Spouses of British citizens or settled persons are exempted (paragraph 320(7C)) from the ban. Unfortunately, spouses of student visa holders are subject to it.sop wrote:hi janabee,
pls guide me dear, gues i have teh same case..my husnband is in england n m in india , i applied for PSW but was refused on the grounds of deception , with right to appeal..i came back in feb09 on my own expense and taht too before teh period of 28 days, my only question is:
Do i have to wait to apply for student depandant visa??..or can i apply in Nov09??
Pls leme know if u hav any idea!!
thanks!!!
sop wrote:Dear all,
I'm a married girl an my husband is studying in London. i'd like to apply for student dependant visa in non 09, however i was refused once in jan'09 under the charges of deception with the right to appeal and was given 28 days to leave.1 year ban was imposed as well if i meet all these requirements and leave teh country voluntarily.
If u can pls have a look , i was given the follwoing letter , the highlighted point does show that spouse visa can be applied as decpetion charges on this visa aren't considered..Plsss suggest if i apply for Student Dependant visa befoe a period of 1 year??
Part 9 - General grounds for the refusal of entry clearance, leave to enter or variation of leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom
Immigration rules
Refusal of entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom
320. In addition to the grounds of refusal of entry clearance or leave to enter set out in Parts 2-8 of these Rules, and subject to paragraph 321 below, the following grounds for the refusal of entry clearance or leave to enter apply:
Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom is to be refused
(1) the fact that entry is being sought for a purpose not covered by these Rules;
(2) the fact that the person seeking entry to the United Kingdom is currently the subject of a deportation order;
(3) failure by the person seeking entry to the United Kingdom to produce to the Immigration Officer a valid national passport or other document satisfactorily establishing his identity and nationality;
(4) failure to satisfy the Immigration Officer, in the case of a person arriving in the United Kingdom or seeking entry through the Channel Tunnel with the intention of entering any other part of the common travel area, that he is acceptable to the immigration authorities there;
(5) failure, in the case of a visa national, to produce to the Immigration Officer a passport or other identity document endorsed with a valid and current United Kingdom entry clearance issued for the purpose for which entry is sought;
(6) where the Secretary of State has personally directed that the exclusion of a person from the United Kingdom is conducive to the public good;
(7) save in relation to a person settled in the United Kingdom or where the Immigration Officer is satisfied that there are strong compassionate reasons justifying admission, confirmation from the Medical Inspector that, for medical reasons, it is undesirable to admit a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom.
(7A) where false representations have been made or false documents or information have been submitted (whether or not material to the application, and whether or not to the applicant's knowledge), or material facts have not been disclosed, in relation to the application.
(7B) subject to paragraph 320(7C), where the applicant has previously breached the UK's immigration laws by:
(a) Overstaying;
(b) breaching a condition attached to his leave;
(c) being an Illegal Entrant;
(d) using Deception in an application for entry clearance, leave to enter or remain (whether successful or not);
unless the applicant:
(i) Overstayed for 28 days or less and left the UK voluntarily, not at the expense (directly or indirectly) of the Secretary of State;
(ii) used Deception in an application for entry clearance more than 10 years ago;
(iii) left the UK voluntarily, not at the expense (directly or indirectly) of the Secretary of State, more than 12 months ago;
(iv) left the UK voluntarily, at the expense (directly or indirectly) of the Secretary of State, more than 5 years ago, or
(v) was removed or deported from the UK more than 10 years ago.
Where more than one breach of the UK's immigration laws has occurred, only the breach which leads to the longest period of absence from the UK will be relevant under this paragraph.
(7C) Paragraph 320(7B) shall not apply in the following circumstances:
(a) where the applicant is applying as:
(i) a spouse, civil partner or unmarried or same-gender partner under
paragraphs 281 or 295A,
(ii) a fiancé(e) or proposed civil partner under paragraph 290,
(iii) a parent, grandparent or other dependent relative under paragraph 317,
(iv) a person exercising rights of access to a child under paragraph 246, or
(v) a spouse, civil partner, unmarried or same-gender partner of a refugee or person with Humanitarian Protection under paragraphs 352A, 352AA, 352FA or 352FD; or
(b) where the individual was under the age of 18 at the time of his most recent breach of the UK's immigration laws.
Grounds on which entry clearance or leave to enter the United Kingdom should normally be refused
(8) failure by a person arriving in the United Kingdom to furnish the Immigration Officer with such information as may be required for the purpose of deciding whether he requires leave to enter and, if so, whether and on what terms leave should be given;
(8A) where the person seeking leave is outside the United Kingdom, failure by him to supply any information, documents, copy documents or medical report requested by an Immigration Officer;
(9) failure by a person seeking leave to enter as a returning resident to satisfy the Immigration Officer that he meets the requirements of paragraph 18 of these Rules, or that he seeks leave to enter for the same purpose as that for which his earlier leave was granted;
(10) production by the person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom of a national passport or travel document issued by a territorial entity or authority which is not recognised by Her Majesty's Government as a state or is not dealt with as a government by them, or which does not accept valid United Kingdom passports for the purpose of its own immigration control; or a passport or travel document which does not comply with international passport practice;
(11) where the applicant has previously contrived in a significant way to frustrate the intentions of these Rules. Guidance will be published giving examples of circumstances in which an applicant who has previously overstayed, breached a condition attached to his leave, been an Illegal Entrant or used Deception in an application for entry clearance, leave to enter or remain (whether successful or not) is likely to be considered as having contrived in a significant way to frustrate the intentions of these Rules.
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(12) DELETED
(13) failure, except by a person eligible for admission to the United Kingdom for settlement or a spouse or civil partner eligible for admission under paragraph 282, to satisfy the Immigration Officer that he will be admitted to another country after a stay in the United Kingdom;
(14) refusal by a sponsor of a person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom to give, if requested to do so, an undertaking in writing to be responsible for that person's maintenance and accommodation for the period of any leave granted;
(15) whether or not to the holder's knowledge, the making of false representations or the failure to disclose any material fact for the purpose of obtaining an immigration employment document;
(16) failure, in the case of a child under the age of 18 years seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom otherwise than in conjunction with an application made by his parent(s) or legal guardian to provide the Immigration Officer, if required to do so, with written consent to the application from his parent(s) or legal guardian; save that the requirement as to written consent does not apply in the case of a child seeking admission to the United Kingdom as an asylum seeker;
(17) save in relation to a person settled in the United Kingdom, refusal to undergo a medical examination when required to do so by the Immigration Officer;
(18) save where the Immigration Officer is satisfied that admission would be justified for strong compassionate reasons, conviction in any country including the United Kingdom of an offence which, if committed in the United Kingdom, is punishable with imprisonment for a term of 12 months or any greater punishment or, if committed outside the United Kingdom, would be so punishable if the conduct constituting the offence had occurred in the United Kingdom;
(19) where, from information available to the Immigration Officer, it seems right to refuse leave to enter on the ground that exclusion from the United Kingdom is conducive to the public good; if, for example, in the light of the character, conduct or associations of the person seeking leave to enter it is undesirable to give him leave to enter.
(20) failure by a person seeking entry into the United Kingdom to comply with a requirement relating to the provision of physical data to which he is subject by regulations made under section 126 of the Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act 2002.
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Refusal of leave to enter in relation to a person in possession of an entry clearance
321. A person seeking leave to enter the United Kingdom who holds an entry clearance which was duly issued to him and is still current may be refused leave to enter only where the Immigration Officer is satisfied that:
(i) False representations were made or false documents or information were submitted (whether or not material to the application, and whether or not to the holder's knowledge), or material facts were not disclosed, in relation to the application for entry clearance; or
(ii) a change of circumstances since it was issued has removed the basis of the holder's claim to admission, except where the change of circumstances amounts solely to the person becoming over age for entry in one of the categories contained in paragraphs 296-316 of these Rules since the issue of the entry clearance; or
(iii) refusal is justified on grounds of restricted return ability; on medical grounds; on grounds of criminal record; because the person seeking leave to enter is the subject of a deportation order or because exclusion would be conducive to the public good.
Grounds on which leave to enter or remain which is in force is to be cancelled at port or while the holder is outside the United Kingdom
321A. The following grounds for the cancellation of a person's leave to enter or remain which is in force on his arrival in, or whilst he is outside, the United Kingdom apply;
(1) there has been such a change in the circumstances of that person's case since the leave was given, that it should be cancelled; or
(2) false representations were made or false documents were submitted (whether or not material to the application, and whether or not to the holder's knowledge), or material facts were not disclosed, in relation to the application for leave; or
(3) save in relation to a person settled in the United Kingdom or where the Immigration Officer or the Secretary of State is satisfied that there are strong compassionate reasons justifying admission, where it is apparent that, for medical reasons, it is undesirable to admit that person to the United Kingdom; or
(4) where the Secretary of State has personally directed that the exclusion of that person from the United Kingdom is conducive to the public good; or
(5) where from information available to the Immigration Officer or the Secretary of State, it seems right to cancel leave on the ground that exclusion from the United Kingdom is conductive to the public good; if, for example, in the light of the character, conduct or associations of that person it is undesirable for him to have leave to enter the United Kingdom; or
(6) where that person is outside the United Kingdom, failure by that person to supply any information, documents, copy documents or medical report requested by an Immigration Officer or the Secretary of State.
Refusal of variation of leave to enter or remain or curtailment of leave
322. In addition to the grounds for refusal of extension of stay set out in Parts 2-8 of these Rules, the following provisions apply in relation to the refusal of an application for variation of leave to enter or remain or, where appropriate, the curtailment of leave:
Grounds on which leave to remain in the United Kingdom is to be refused
(1) the fact that variation of leave to enter or remain is being sought for a purpose not covered by these Rules.
(1A) where false representations have been made or false documents or information have been submitted (whether or not material to the application, and whether or not to the applicant's knowledge), or material facts have not been disclosed, in relation to the application.
Grounds on which leave to remain in the United Kingdom should normally be refused
(2) the making of false representations or the failure to disclose any material fact for the purpose of obtaining leave to enter or a previous variation of leave;
(3) failure to comply with any conditions attached to the grant of leave to enter or remain;
(4) failure by the person concerned to maintain or accommodate himself and any dependants without recourse to public funds;
(5) the undesirability of permitting the person concerned to remain in the United Kingdom in the light of his character, conduct or associations or the fact that he represents a threat to national security;
(6) refusal by a sponsor of the person concerned to give, if requested to do so, an undertaking in writing to be responsible for his maintenance and accommodation in the United Kingdom or failure to honour such an undertaking once given;
(7) failure by the person concerned to honour any declaration or undertaking given orally or in writing as to the intended duration and/or purpose of his stay;
(8) failure, except by a person who qualifies for settlement in the United Kingdom or by the spouse or civil partner of a person settled in the United Kingdom, to satisfy the Secretary of State that he will be returnable to another country if allowed to remain in the United Kingdom for a further period;
(9) failure by an applicant to produce within a reasonable time information, documents or other evidence required by the Secretary of State to establish his claim to remain under these Rules;
(10) failure, without providing a reasonable explanation, to comply with a request made on behalf of the Secretary of State to attend for interview;
(11) failure, in the case of a child under the age of 18 years seeking a variation of his leave to enter or remain in the United Kingdom otherwise than in conjunction with an application by his parent(s) or legal guardian, to provide the Secretary of State, if required to do so, with written consent to the application from his parent(s) or legal guardian; save that the requirement as to written consent does not apply in the case of a child who has been admitted to the United Kingdom as an asylum seeker.
Grounds on which leave to enter or remain may be curtailed
323. A person's leave to enter or remain may be curtailed:
(i) on any of the grounds set out in paragraph 322(2)-(5) above; or
(ii) if he ceases to meet the requirements of the Rules under which his leave to enter or remain was granted; or
(iii) if he is the dependant, or is seeking leave to remain as the dependant, of an asylum applicant whose claim has been refused and whose leave has been curtailed under section 7 of the1993 Act, and he does not qualify for leave to remain in his own right.
(iv) on any of the grounds set out in paragraph 339A (i)-(vi) and paragraph 339G (i)-(vi).
Curtailment of leave or alteration of duration of leave in relation to a Tier 2 Migrant, a Tier 5 Migrant or a Tier 5 Migrant
323A. In addition to the grounds specified in paragraph 323, the leave to enter or remain of a Tier 2 Migrant or a Tier 5 (Temporary Worker) Migrant may be curtailed, or its duration altered, if:
(a) the migrant's Sponsor ceases to have a sponser licence (for whatever reason)
(b) the migrant's Sponsor transfers the business for which the migrant works or at which the migrant is studying to another person, that person does not have a sponser licence and that person:
(i) fails to apply for a sponser licence within 28 days of the date of the transfwer of the business,
(ii) applies for a sponser licence but is refused, or
(iii) applies for a sponser licence and is granted one, but not in a category that would allow it to issue a Certificate of Sponsorship to the migrant,
(c) the migrant fails to commence, or ceases, working for the Sponsor, or
(d) in the case of a Tier 4 Migrant:
(i) the migrant fails to commence studying with the Sponsor, or
(ii) the migrant studies at an institution other than that which issued the visa letter on the basis of which the migrant?s current entry clearance, leave to enter or leave to remain was granted unless the United Kingdom Border Agency has given its written consent for the migrant to transfer to another Sponsor, or
(iii) the migrant ceases studying with the Sponsor.
Crew members
324. A person who has been given leave to enter to join a ship, aircraft, hovercraft, hydrofoil or international train service as a member of its crew, or a crew member who has been given leave to enter for hospital treatment, repatriation or transfer to another ship, aircraft, hovercraft, hydrofoil or international train service in the United Kingdom, is to be refused leave to remain unless an extension of stay is necessary to fulfil the purpose for which he was given leave to enter or unless he meets the requirements for an extension of stay as a spouse or civil partner in paragraph 284.
Unfortunately, a spouse of a student visa holder is not under paragraphs 281 or 295A. Paragraphs 76-78 or 319A-319E are applicable to spouses of students or Tier 4 holders respectively.(7C) Paragraph 320(7B) shall not apply in the following circumstances:
(a) where the applicant is applying as:
(i) a spouse, civil partner or unmarried or same-gender partner under
paragraphs 281 or 295A,
Hi Vinny,vinny wrote:,
Spouses of British citizens or settled persons are exempted (paragraph 320(7C)) from the ban. Unfortunately, spouses of student visa holders are subject to it.
Factors to consider for Para 320(11) Refusal wrote: When can you refuse under para 320 (11)?
This is a discretionary refusal where an applicant has ‘contrived in a significant way to undermine the intentions of the immigration rules’ and where there are aggravating circumstances. This means where an applicant has either:
been an illegal entrant; or
overstayed; or
breached a condition attached to his leave; or
used deception in a previous entry clearance or leave to enter or remain application;
and there are aggravating circumstances. These include offences such as:
absconding;
not complying with reporting restrictions;
using an assumed identity or multiple identities to obtain asylum benefits, state benefits, tax credits goods or services;
receiving NHS care to which not entitled;
a sham marriage;
harbouring an immigration offender; and
facilitating/people smuggling.
This is not an exhaustive list and all cases must be considered on their merits taking into account family life in the UK and the level of responsibility for the breach in the case of children. ECOs will need to obtain ECM authorisation for all refusals under Paragraph 320(11).
This is a discretionary refusal.
Where an applicant falls to be refused under 320(7A) or 320(7B), the ECO must also consider whether it is also appropriate to refuse the applicant under paragraph 320(11). Where 320(7C) applies which makes an applicant exempt from 320(7B), an ECO must consider whether a refusal under paragraph 320(11) is appropriate
The extent of breach for 320(11) is obviously much greater, than that of 320(7B). 320(11) also list aggraviating factors which are not present in 320 (7B)Factors for 320(7B) refusal wrote: (7B) subject to paragraph 320(7C), where the applicant has previously breached the UK's immigration laws by:
(a) Overstaying;
(b) breaching a condition attached to his leave;
(c) being an Illegal Entrant;
(d) using Deception in an application for entry clearance, leave to enter or remain (whether successful or not);