Non-EU woman gives birth in UK after airlifted from ship

wing99 · Post by **wing99** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 1:56 pm

in British waters. She would like to know if it would be possible to stay, possibly even permanently. She is living with me temporarily whilst the baby is in an incubator at the hospital. Baby will need ongoing care, first in the hospital and then careful monitoring afterwards (she was very premature). I am now the baby's godmother, so there will be an ongoing relationship with baby and Mum.

Any help you could offer would be appreciated. I have wondered if we should apply for temporary residence for Mum and try for section 3(1) citizenship for the baby.

Many thanks
Sophia

UKBAbble · Post by **UKBAbble** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:01 pm

The baby would would not appear to have any claim to citizenship. Are the UKBA aware of the mother's presence? She may be here illegally if not.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 2:26 pm

Agreed, I can;t see any grounds to stay here. Where is the woman from? She might find herself with a hefty bill from the NHS especially if the birh was difficult. Mind u she should have had some travel insurance...

Mr Rusty · Post by **Mr Rusty** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:54 pm

Where's the father?

taliska · Post by **taliska** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 8:49 pm

the baby would take the nationality of its mother, and the same rules would apply as with visitors as she is only here as a visitor due to the need for emergency care as she was on a ship in british waters or with a british port being the closest. That however does not give citizenship to the baby nor residence to the mother, and as has been said she may even have a bill for the care she and the baby receives if she has no insurance, as the Health service is only free to those deemed resident in the Uk which includes resident individuals from the EU who are registered as working here(other EU migrants will get free care but should have EU health card so that the NHS can claim the money back from their country of residence- justa s british people do when they go to other EU countries)migrant workers, students, asylum seekers, but visitors have to pay

wing99 · Post by **wing99** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:27 pm

Thank you for your input and replies.
The healthcare has been funded by insurance, the father is not involved and the UKBA is aware of her presence.

I believe the Secretary of State can allow the registration of a child even when the child fails to meet the normal immigration criteria. Being a very premature baby with a need for ongoing healthcare and monitoring, with less than favourable Ukranian circumstances, I wondered if he might allow this.

UKBAbble · Post by **UKBAbble** » Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:31 pm

wing99 wrote:Thank you for your input and replies.
The healthcare has been funded by insurance, the father is not involved and the UKBA is aware of her presence.

I believe the Secretary of State can allow the registration of a child even when the child fails to meet the normal immigration criteria. Being a very premature baby with a need for ongoing healthcare and monitoring, with less than favourable Ukranian circumstances, I wondered if he might allow this.

I can't think why he would, premature babies don't (usually) need extended care.

wing99 · Post by **wing99** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 7:06 am

Having had a premature baby myself, of the same gestation, I can assure you that in the first year they can be quite vulnerable and need regular paediatric specialist monitoring. Their lungs are also, often, fragile and cold conditions are not wise. It is important, also, to live near a good hospital facility as visits are normally frequent.

Thank you

Mr Rusty · Post by **Mr Rusty** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 8:58 am

So the mother is Ukrainian?
Was she a crew member (i.e. holding a seaman's book), or a "supernumerary" accompanying crew on a commercial vessel, or a paying passenger on a ferry/cruise service?
What, if any notice has been served on the lady or on the ship's agents?

I only ask because I suspect UKBA's attitude towards the baby will hinge on the mother's status. You're quite right that S3(i) of the 1981 Act does provide for registration of any minor at the S of S discretion, but if the mother has a country to go to they may well take the view that once junior has his health there's no reason for either of them to remain in the UK.

Wanderer · Post by **Wanderer** » Thu Sep 17, 2009 9:07 am

wing99 wrote:Having had a premature baby myself, of the same gestation, I can assure you that in the first year they can be quite vulnerable and need regular paediatric specialist monitoring. Their lungs are also, often, fragile and cold conditions are not wise. It is important, also, to live near a good hospital facility as visits are normally frequent.

Thank you

Not a reason to grant citizenship, Ukraine isn't a backward country, having been to hospital in russia in can say while the facilities are not as good as here, IMHO the staff are true angels, the money isn't the attraction there, no doctors on 100k a year in FSU. And u'll find doctors do make house calls there, not like here where they'll make any excuse not to come out.

BLK235 · Post by **BLK235** » Fri Sep 18, 2009 7:42 am

Infant mortality rate ranking by country https://www.cia.gov/library/publication ... 1rank.html

1. Angola 180.21 per 1000 live births
152. Russia 10.56 per 1000 live births
158. Ukraine 8.98 per 1000 live births
180. USA 6.26 per 1000 live births
182. EU 5.72 per 1000 live births
193. UK 4.85 per 1000 live births

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Non-EU woman gives birth in UK after airlifted from ship

Non-EU woman gives birth in UK after airlifted from ship