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You may have to revert to the good old method of writing letters to each other or maybe emails.if you do write letters make sure you and your wife keep hold of the envelopes as well.azim wrote:Subject: spousal visa
hi guys, i hope you all have been ok, although i have not updated anything on my wife's case. The reason is because i have been waiting for it so i would now like to share some information on my wife's case.
I applied for my wife's visa on 15th june 2009 and i gave them all the evidence i had with my original application but they still refused it on the 22nd september 2009 the reason for the refusal was first of all:- i did not include nikah nama which i did,the second reason was i did not give proof of accommodation which i did again, and i think the main reason they refused it is because, my wife had a solicitor in lahore to do the application but the idiot put there we got married on the 31st of january 2009 i put on my sponsor i got married on the 30th and also on my nikah nama it said the 30th january and the fourth reason i did not enclose evidence on when we met which of course i did not enclose the proof which me met in the uk in 2007 and also i have not enclosed any proof of keeping in touch with each other so on that basis, they are not satisfied with this marriage although they had wedding pictures and they said it was not good enough. The only problem that i have now is i do have the plane tickets to glasgow for when we first met although, since she has gone back i have been using international phone cards so how do i prove how i have been in touch with her as they dont accept international phone cards as proof.so your advice would be appreciated and how do i appeal and what evidence should i provide them with?
thank you
Have you sent any letters/emails etc?CAN I PLEASE ASK ALLAPPLICANTS THAT THIS REASON IS ON THE INCREASE ... PLEAEE PLEASE DO NOT USE THESE CHEAP PHONE CALLS CARDS .... FOR GODS SAKE USE THE COST OF BUYING THESE CARDS TO CALL YOUR SPOUSE FROM YOUR LANDLINE OR MOBILE THEN AT LEAST YOU HAVE SOME EVIDENCE TO PROVE THAT YOU HAVE KEPT IN CONTACT
BY THE WAY WILL ALL PEOPLE GIVING REASONS FOR REFUSAL MAKE SURE IT IS AS WORD FOR WORD AS PER THE REFUSAL NOTICE ... NOT WHAT YOU ASSUME.
THE EXACT WORDING IS VERY IMPORTANT SO YOU CAN RECIEVE CORRECT ADVICE FROM EXPERIENCED PEOPLE ON THIS FORUM
Dear All,
My spouse has had his application refused under 320 (7a). We are going to appeal against there incorrect decision and dispute there issues.
Has anyone else had experience of refusal under this paragraph?
I have reviewed the following website http://www.ukvisas.gov.uk/en/ecg/refusa ... s#18117891 and in section 3.2.6 Document Examination & Verification Reports the following is stated:
3.2.6 Document Examination & Verification Reports
All para 320 (7A) & (7B) refusals must be supported by a Document Examination Report (DER) or Document Verification Report (DVR)(link to ECG documents and forms) irrespective of how the forgery/deception has been practised. This is because we must ensure that there is a clear audited trail which shows how the decision has been reached, which will enable us to withstand any legal challenges. In some cases, the ECO will be made aware of the deception from other sources, e.g. a report, or through an interview. A DVR / DER must be completed even if that means simply referring to a Q & A interview, or referencing another report. It is not necessary to have written confirmation from a source that a document is false if you have fully completed a DVR.
If a copy of the DER/DVR is requested by an applicant, third party or in appeal cases, then the DER/DVR needs to be depersonalised before it is sent off.
Does anyone on this forum know how to obtain a copy of the DER/DVR. I am really interested to know what verfication checks they have done in order to argue at my appeal.
.3.2.3 False documents
You must refuse the application if you have evidence that a false document has been submitted even if the false document is not relevant to the application or your decision and even if the applicant is unaware that the document is false.
A false document includes: a genuine document which has been altered or tampered with; a counterfeit document (one that is completely false); a genuine document that is being used by an impostor; a genuine document which has been fraudulently obtained or issued; or a genuine document which contains a falsified or counterfeit visa/endorsement.
To be satisfied that a document is false you must:
* have examined the document and completed a Document Examination Report (see 3.2.6 Document Examination Report) setting out your findings (including photographic evidence where appropriate) to justify your conclusion that the document is false; or
* have evidence, as a result of checks carried out, that the document is false, and have completed a Document Verification Report (see 3.2.6); or
* show that the document is identical to another document on which you have current and reliable evidence that it is false and have completed a Document Verification Report (e.g. issuing body has either given information on document's security features or already advised that an identical document is false);or
* have an admission from the applicant (in writing or recorded in the Q&A notes) that they used a false document or made false representations
Yes this right. This is why you will need advice from a good solicitorAlso from other research that I have done, if you are refused under para 320 (7b) this attracts the 10 year ban? Is this right?
Hi Was794,was794 wrote:my father has passed 4 days ago please do dua for him - Inshallah hes is a better place.
Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.
please dont forget to love those who are close to you....
I hope everyones applications are succesfull in the near future.
I am still waiting for for my wifes application which was approved on the 8/09/09 according to my MP...
So sorry to hear about your father, may allah grant him a place a in paradise.was794 wrote:my father has passed 4 days ago please do dua for him - Inshallah hes is a better place.
Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.
please dont forget to love those who are close to you....
I hope everyones applications are succesfull in the near future.
I am still waiting for for my wifes application which was approved on the 8/09/09 according to my MP...
A raging row between Pakistan’s foreign ministry and the United Kingdom over a range of immigration-related issues - check out the link below...
http://www.dawn.com/wps/wcm/connect/daw ... -05-sal-01
Asif121 - if you havent already include a cover letter of sponsership from yourself as the sponser. In the letter write down exaclty what you are submitting as evidence and how you met where you got married, honeymoon? (dates/locations) etc...It will help build up your case in the ECO's head when there reviewing your application. let me know if u need a sample ill send you mine.
The burden is on you to prove that you actually travelled. Tell them flight number, airline , date of departure and arrival and they can easily check itasif1976 wrote:Dear Batley Khan
I have read all sections concerning 320 (7a)
I am the Sponsor and the ECO has claimed that the stamp in my passport is not genuine and that I did not travel to Pakistan to visit my Spouse. I totally dispute this, but have no airline ticket to prove this. As I dont have proof for the other two countries that I have visited over the last few years. I am very interested to know how exactky they came to this conculsion.
I asked my spouse that when the application was submitted did my NICOP card get submitted also, as I am dual nationality. Unfortunately this was not submitted. Could it be that the ECO is questionning how I got this stamp without actually proving that I had a visa to leave UK and enter Pakistan in the first place?
Also from other research that I have done, if you are refused under para 320 (7b) this attracts the 10 year ban? Is this right?
Your views are much appreciated.
Well if the stamp is genuine then you have no reason to worry because it would be very easy to prove.ajmal wrote:asif1976 wrote:Dear Batley Khan
I have read all sections concerning 320 (7a)
I am the Sponsor and the ECO has claimed that the stamp in my passport is not genuine and that I did not travel to Pakistan to visit my Spouse. I totally dispute this, but have no airline ticket to prove this. As I dont have proof for the other two countries that I have visited over the last few years. I am very interested to know how exactky they came to this conculsion.
I asked my spouse that when the application was submitted did my NICOP card get submitted also, as I am dual nationality. Unfortunately this was not submitted. Could it be that the ECO is questionning how I got this stamp without actually proving that I had a visa to leave UK and enter Pakistan in the first place?
Also from other research that I have done, if you are refused under para 320 (7b) this attracts the 10 year ban? Is this right?
Your views are much appreciated.