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It is because the UK is not in Schengen.86ti wrote:Funny, all along I thought that's just because of UK's refusal to join Schengen...
And why not? Because they do not want to. That's the point here and not the alleged unwilligness of the UK government to fight for the rights of their own citizens.benifa wrote:It is because the UK is not in Schengen.86ti wrote:Funny, all along I thought that's just because of UK's refusal to join Schengen...
If the UK were Schengen this point would be futile.benifa wrote:It is also because the Indonesian national is not the family member of an EEA national who is exercising EU Treaty rights in the UK, so does not possess a Residence Card of a family member of a Union citizen and so eligible for visa-free travel when accompanying / joining her EEA national family member in another Member State.
You can understand why as well, after watching UK Border Force over the last few weeks, the entire population of the now-gone 'Jungle' would be in the UK in a jiffy if border controls were lifted.86ti wrote:Funny, all along I thought that's just because of UK's refusal to join Schengen...acme4242 wrote:Because the UK government don't fight for UK citizens families, you
need a visa.
...
You should raise this issue with your MP and MEP
This is a simple problem to solve.
So would a lot more too. Instead of settling in places like Italy, Spain etc they'd be over here in a flash.Wanderer wrote:You can understand why as well, after watching UK Border Force over the last few weeks, the entire population of the now-gone 'Jungle' would be in the UK in a jiffy if border controls were lifted.86ti wrote:Funny, all along I thought that's just because of UK's refusal to join Schengen...acme4242 wrote:Because the UK government don't fight for UK citizens families, you
need a visa.
...
You should raise this issue with your MP and MEP
This is a simple problem to solve.
Exactly. acme4242 is wrong to say it's anything to do with "the UK government don't fight for UK citizens families".86ti wrote:And why not? Because they do not want to. That's the point here and not the alleged unwilligness of the UK government to fight for the rights of their own citizens.
Wanderer wrote:You can understand why as well, after watching UK Border Force over the last few weeks, the entire population of the now-gone 'Jungle' would be in the UK in a jiffy if border controls were lifted.
In the scenarios I described above, none of this could/would have happened, as the UK would keep their border-checkpoints, and only 2004/38/EC-documented people would be allowed to cross. All these people are tracable through the SIS, to which the UK has access.meats wrote:So would a lot more too. Instead of settling in places like Italy, Spain etc they'd be over here in a flash.
Isn´t it time the UK officially applies to become the 51st state of the United States, or maybe apply to become a territory of Canada, Australia or NZ?Example: I met a Nigerian citizen in the UK-embassy in Dublin (properly documented permanent Irish resident) who wanted to get a DirectAirsideTransit-visa for travel to Nigeria (Dublin - London - Nigeria - London - Dublin). Now, what´s the sense of thoroughly checking her papers? If she wanted to go to the UK "illegally", she´d just have to take a flight, hop on a boat or simply drive north via the unmanned border. She´d be there in less time than it takes to pass the Q at the embassy.
But this poor lady learned that, now that she wants to be law-abiding, she has to bring a (unbelievably huge) bunch of papers, and will have to wait a few weeks before a "decision" is taken.
What´s the point, especially from Dublin, I wonder?