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Different. Hence why it is called residence permit and not residence card. See Wikipedia for a photo of what she would need.stmellon wrote:She has the Spouse settlment Residence Permit - is this the same or different to ILR? It's been so long I've lost track...
meats wrote:You shouldn't base your holiday destination on ease of getting a visa.
My point is, as i said in my first post, that you shouldn't base where you go on holiday dependent on whether you need a visa or not. If you can't get a visa for France until February then what's stopping you going in February, especially seeing as you said January/February in your original post?stmellon wrote:meats wrote:You shouldn't base your holiday destination on ease of getting a visa.
Surely it's only the same as basing your holiday destination on late notice availability?
My wife would most like to go to Paris, but that is not a viable option if we want to travel in January given that the earliest we could get a visa from the French would be February! So what's your point here?
You wife does need a Schengenvisa. And it is indeed free.benifa wrote:Your wife can travel with you, without a visa, but the airlines probably wouldn't let her board.
Better to get a visa. It's free.
Surely you should only apply for one from the Dutch Embassy if the Netherlands is going to be your first or main destination?Prawo wrote:You wife does need a Schengenvisa. And it is indeed free.benifa wrote:Your wife can travel with you, without a visa, but the airlines probably wouldn't let her board.
Better to get a visa. It's free.
Do apply for one from the Dutch, they should not have a long waiting list and know how to deal with the application.
So nobody would ever care?Prawo wrote:Officially yes.
But once the visa is issued in case of you travelling together to another country, nobody will care.
When necessary, just show the marriage certificate and tell The Netherlands will be your next destination, where you will stay the longest.
Try to apply for a visa for one or more years.
The above does not mean of course you should exclude Amsterdam from your list of cities to be visited at least once in your life![]()
1. ILR is not the same as a EEA Family Permit so I am not convinced you are totally correct with that one as I believe the visa is needed for the stay as well as entry.Prawo wrote:Two things.
1. This topic is about family members of EU citizens visiting a member state other than their own, together with their EU citizen.
Different rules apply, not the Schengen ones.
Namely: the visa is only for entry, the right of stay is derived from the relationship with the EU citizen and is not dependant of any other condition at least during the first three months.
2. The person in the link you mention was a third country national, with no link to the freedom of movement.
Probably he was to honest telling he never went to Belgium.
In stead he could have (told he) landed in France and travelled to Belgium afterwards.
Anyway, the answer I gave corresponds with the answer the European Commission gives in such a situation and is the direct result of properly applying Directive 2004/38/EC.djb123 wrote:1. ILR is not the same as a EEA Family Permit so I am not convinced you are totally correct with that one as I believe the visa is needed for the stay as well as entry.
I agree on this with you, but as I said this matter is off topic because it concerns third country nationals without any connection to the freedom of movement of EU citizens and their family members.2. In that case I agree they could have probably argued that they did go to Belgium. But if for example you applied for a visa at the Dutch Embassy and then your only visit to the Schengen area was a trip to one of the Spanish islands (Menorca, etc) for a few days then you are going to have great difficulty arguing that you did actually go to the Netherlands.
It's not totally off topic. In my experience the Embassies in the UK are not the most friendly when it comes to dealing with spouses of British citizens and if you go back to the same Embassy having not visited their country they could be even less friendly - ie issuing a single entry visa only valid for a very short period (which they would be allowed to do).Prawo wrote:I agree on this with you, but as I said this matter is off topic because it concerns third country nationals without any connection to the freedom of movement of EU citizens and their family members.djb123 wrote: 2. In that case I agree they could have probably argued that they did go to Belgium. But if for example you applied for a visa at the Dutch Embassy and then your only visit to the Schengen area was a trip to one of the Spanish islands (Menorca, etc) for a few days then you are going to have great difficulty arguing that you did actually go to the Netherlands.