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I don't think this is true, in my professional circles especially, being able to work in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands without fuss is a fantastic boon, and these guys are earning up to a grand a day, the vast majority of this money coming into the UK.meats wrote:Yes i do want the UK out of the EU. Just like the majority of Brits do.
EFTA is the way to go, just like Norway and Switzerland. That way we can control our borders without interference from Europe, we keep the trading bloc which is all that we really need from the EU, we won't have the French trying to ruin the City as they've said they've planned to do since a Frenchman was appointed European Finance Minister and we can make our own laws without interference from Brussels. Also none of these stupid EEA visas, the cheaper way for people to enter Britain having been refused for British visas in the past.Wanderer wrote:I don't think this is true, in my professional circles especially, being able to work in Germany/Belgium/Netherlands without fuss is a fantastic boon, and these guys are earning up to a grand a day, the vast majority of this money coming into the UK.meats wrote:Yes i do want the UK out of the EU. Just like the majority of Brits do.
The last one I was in Germany there was one German on the team, everyone else British.
I was dead against the EU in 73 when we joined under the Tories, but now I would hate to go back to isolationism, think Albania...
I;ve never been either, it's only a centimetre from my partners city on the map but thats about 2000 miles!Richard66 wrote:I used to have an open invitation to visit someone in Yekateringburg, but have never been there.
Where my wife come from its very pleasant. The people are polite, drivers are careful and the public services efficient. We managed to get our marriage registered in 5 minutes!
I find your level of ignorance quite astounding. The EU does not encourage abuse neither does it facilitate it.meats wrote:
Unfortunately there are left wing hippies who disagree with you. People like Obie for example think that the whole world is entitled to live in the UK and would be quite happy to see it become a terrorist hotspot. Quite frankly the sooner the UK is out of the EU the better and also gets rid of the even more pointless human rights act which only protects the criminals and screws over the innocent.
Memberstate are free to adopt measures necessary to combat any form of abuse, and their hands are not tied in that regards.
Article 35
Abuse of rights
Member States may adopt the necessary measures
to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right
conferred by this Directive in the case of abuse of
rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.
Any such measure shall be proportionate and
subject to the procedural safeguards provided for
in Articles 30 and 31.
Couple of points: You are talking about fraudulent marriages. Arranged marriages are a very different thing and are not fraudulent, any more than romantic love marriages are fraudulent.meats wrote:There's plenty of money being given for arranged marriages. A lot of this goes to Eastern Europeans by people from the Indian sub-continent on student visas in the UK. A few examples of this have been on the UK Border Force TV show where the Eastern Europeans have said that they'd been paid to marry them. The Eastern European block of countries are still fairly dearly beloved in their ways, the Poles that i know would never be with a non-white person regardless of nationality. This might change now that they can't protect their borders effectively but that won't change for at least a generation. That's not to say that they all have that mindset but the majority do.
Obie i appreciate that your sole intention in life is to ruin the UK so i expect you to have wet dreams about the EU most nights. I'm sure that you do too. I'm glad that you agree that the UK shouldn't be in the EU.Obie wrote:I find your level of ignorance quite astounding. The EU does not encourage abuse neither does it facilitate it.meats wrote:
Unfortunately there are left wing hippies who disagree with you. People like Obie for example think that the whole world is entitled to live in the UK and would be quite happy to see it become a terrorist hotspot. Quite frankly the sooner the UK is out of the EU the better and also gets rid of the even more pointless human rights act which only protects the criminals and screws over the innocent.
Article 35 of Directive 2004/38 EC, if you are aware of it, or have cared to spend time reading it, says.
Memberstate are free to adopt measures necessary to combat any form of abuse, and their hands are not tied in that regards.
Article 35
Abuse of rights
Member States may adopt the necessary measures
to refuse, terminate or withdraw any right
conferred by this Directive in the case of abuse of
rights or fraud, such as marriages of convenience.
Any such measure shall be proportionate and
subject to the procedural safeguards provided for
in Articles 30 and 31.
For you to come to the forum and utter factually inaccurate gabbage, shows what an out of touch right wing fascist you are.
In regards to the body scan, i think it is a gross violation of human dignity, rights and privacy, especially when it is used on little children. I would be very uncomfortable for people to see naked images of my children. With the number of gender predators out there, i will be deeply concerned.
Not to mention the inconvenience, disproportionate delays it will cause to passengers.
However, if it will enhance security as they have promised, then i am prepared to study it. However i don't think measures like this will be sustainable for the long haul.
Meat could you kindly explain to me what your purpose on the forum is.
I find it hard to grasp it.
I believe like yourself that UK should be expelled form the EU, however for a different reason from that of yours.
I am of the believe that their presence is not conducive to the good of the EU, they make a complete mockery of the EU regulations and directives.
Their presence there is like a marriage of convenience, which as i have stated in the past, is a sham in its entirety.
Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR
Peruse this site, 100% entertainment if u've ever seen anything Russian!Richard66 wrote:Wanderer, we did not even go to the OVIR (well, we did, but to apply for citizenship for our little girl: first case ever and they had to contact base to know what to do, but do it they did and the application was over in less than an hour. If you remember our discussion about Russian citizenship not being automatic... I had to supply a copy of the little girl's BRITISH passport as well as a copy of mine, together with immigration cards and my authorisation in writing.): the owner of the flat (my brother-in-law) did it and was finished in ln maybe half an hour. We registered our marriage at the office next door, 5 minutes before closing time. My wife applied for copies of her birth certificate at the town hall (all recently refurbished and we had the occasion to observe three marriages). All done in an hour. Even in the bus they were nice to us, asking us this and that about the baby.
Have a read of newspaper discussions boards, i've seen it so far on The Times and The Telegraph, The Guardian and on Sky News' website. So that's arguably the 3 most respected newspapers in the UK, 2 right wing and 1 left wing plus Sky News. If you can't see that the EU is basically turning into the former USSR then i suggest you take off the rose tinted specs.Richard66 wrote:Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR
The European Parliament, of some of its members are from the UK, passes laws that have to do with European matters. This is what international treaties are about. When you sign an international treaty you cannot expect to overrule it at pleasure when it suits party policy.
By the way, I am still waiting for the statisitcs on marriages of convenience.
Sorry Meats much as I empathise with but u having direct experience of the USSR I can say how laudable the Leninite-Trotskyite goal was, it was über-right-wing-ism-wrapped up in lefty-socialist politics, the ultimate goal being true communism. It was a fantastical wonderful experiment that affected 250 million people for 70 years.meats wrote:Have a read of newspaper discussions boards, i've seen it so far on The Times and The Telegraph, The Guardian and on Sky News' website. So that's arguably the 3 most respected newspapers in the UK, 2 right wing and 1 left wing plus Sky News. If you can't see that the EU is basically turning into the former USSR then i suggest you take off the rose tinted specs.Richard66 wrote:Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR
The European Parliament, of some of its members are from the UK, passes laws that have to do with European matters. This is what international treaties are about. When you sign an international treaty you cannot expect to overrule it at pleasure when it suits party policy.
By the way, I am still waiting for the statisitcs on marriages of convenience.
I suggest you either watch the BBC News tonight if you haven't done so this evening or wait for their report into it to appear on youtube or their website.Richard66 wrote:Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR
The European Parliament, of some of its members are from the UK, passes laws that have to do with European matters. This is what international treaties are about. When you sign an international treaty you cannot expect to overrule it at pleasure when it suits party policy.
By the way, I am still waiting for the statisitcs on marriages of convenience.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8446723.stmmeats wrote:I suggest you either watch the BBC News tonight if you haven't done so this evening or wait for their report into it to appear on youtube or their website.Richard66 wrote:Who calls it that, meats, the BNP? Le Pen?EUSSR
The European Parliament, of some of its members are from the UK, passes laws that have to do with European matters. This is what international treaties are about. When you sign an international treaty you cannot expect to overrule it at pleasure when it suits party policy.
By the way, I am still waiting for the statisitcs on marriages of convenience.
To briefly summarise their main points for you:
- sham marriages up 50% on the previous year's figures
- most cases were men from the Indian sub-continent marrying Eastern European women
They then went to a registry office where a Pakistani man was trying to get the notice to marry a Lithuanian girl. The Lithuanian barely spoke a word of England and he didn't speak Lithuanian. When he heard that the BBC were present he left the registry office alone.
The BBC then got an Indian man on a student visa to pose as an illegal immigrant and make enquiries about arranging a sham marriage to allow him to stay in the UK. He met a man in Hayes, London, who said that it would cost around £15-20k for this and gave him contact details of a man in Birminghan who could help arrange it all. Before going to Brum he went to a government approved immigration advisor. He happened to be from the Indian sub-continent too, told the 'illegal' how to go about getting an Eastern European bride and how he should pay her in 3 stages. The initial payment, the payment when married and the final payment once his passport, documents etc allowing him to stay in the UK had arrived.
Anyway, off to Brum he went, met up with said man, said man got hold of a Slovakian Roma girl. It would cost him £20k. She agreed to marry him and showed proof that she has right to be in the UK. She barely spoke any English let alone the Indian student's mother tongue. The BBC spoke to the gang member, denied everything, stormed off.
Now, are you going to try and tell me that this isn't an abuse caused by the EU? Because if you are then you are a fool.
But it is the system that needs to be changed to counter these abuses. Until that's done then it will continue to happen. This is why all visas should be issued by each individual country and NOT an organisation.inwarsaw wrote:You can't blame UK's being in EU for this. EU created a facility so people in need can use them genuinely and if some people abuse it, you should blame the people not the system. Besides, if EU allows nationals of other countries and their families to move to UK, it give the same right to British nationals and their families to move to other countries.
Anyway this Pakistani guy cracked me and my wife up :D:D and well done BBC !
On the bad side, I showed this report and the small clips to my wife and she is now asking me for 20,000 pounds
Is the EU stopping the UK beefing up the system? I am not aware of it.It's like the French continually blaming the asylum seekers being in, and returning to Calais because of the benefits system in the UK and the ease at which it is exploited. Until changes are made then it will continue to occur.
Ever heard of human rights? If you read those articles you would see that because of human rights it is now virtually impossible to stop those sham marriages. I guess you don't want to believe that that's occurring because it makes your claims rather wrong doesn't it? I'm sure you're quite aware that EU citizens, unfortunately, can't be deported easily and even if they are then they can come straight back.Richard66 wrote:How many sham marriages occured last year? One?
So, in your warped opinion, because abuses occur all honest people should pay dealy for it?
If all these marriages that the BBC has cooked up are faked, what stops the UK from expelling them? The law allows that, but no: you choose to believe that the EU condones that and only the brave, lone UK fights desperately against this! Try this trick in Germany and see how far you get. I can tell you where: to the nearest external border.
I heard all this rant in Italy also, where it seems all marriages are sham, or so it would be if you listen to the xenophobic Northen League. What are the consequences? That honest people cannot marry, that honest people cannot even come to the EU without having to prove they are not illegal immigrants. Meanwhile the real illegal immigrants come directly to the UK on student visas that have nothing to do with the EU.
From what I read it is the Lords that rejected the COA that impeded both sham and legitimate marriages, but not because it contravened EU legislation. You will be saying soon the criminal gangs are bein protected by the EU.
Is the EU stopping the UK beefing up the system? I am not aware of it.It's like the French continually blaming the asylum seekers being in, and returning to Calais because of the benefits system in the UK and the ease at which it is exploited. Until changes are made then it will continue to occur.
Yep, that it should be considerably harder for people to come to the EU. As for the student visas, i've made my feelings known about those and i have no wish to repeat them for you on here.Richard66 wrote: I heard all this rant in Italy also, where it seems all marriages are sham, or so it would be if you listen to the xenophobic Northen League. What are the consequences? That honest people cannot marry, that honest people cannot even come to the EU without having to prove they are not illegal immigrants. Meanwhile the real illegal immigrants come directly to the UK on student visas that have nothing to do with the EU.