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Not sure - wouldn't u get Italian PR first, under Italian Residency rules and then citizenship (quick Google says that's a ten year process) - upon receipt of that then u can move around under the directive.waldymar wrote:No spouse, on my own. As I wrote, I've been living in Italy for almost 5 years, hence, I'll get a EC long-term residence permit.Wanderer wrote:How are u qualifying - as a spouse?
Not sure if you see what I'm trying to say. I'm legally residing in Italy for last 4.5 years having a current Italian residence permit. After accumulating 5 years I'will have EC Long-term residence permit (it's a sure fact). Then, there is a directive 2003/109/EC which regulates non-EU nationals in possession of EC long-term residence permit, saying its possessor can move to another EU member state to work. So, my question is how in practice is respected this directive?Wanderer wrote:Not sure - wouldn't u get Italian PR first, under Italian Residency rules and then citizenship - upon receipt of that then u can move around under the directive.
At the moment I can't see how u r considered to be under EEA rules.
Exactly, Italian Residency Permit - as far a I can see u r in Italy under Italian Immigration Law, not EEA law so the directive won't apply to u until u become an Italian Citizen.waldymar wrote:Not sure if you see what I'm trying to say. I'm legally residing in Italy for last 4.5 years having a current Italian residence permit. After accumulating 5 years I'will have EC Long-term residence permit (it's a sure fact). Then, there is a directive 2003/109/EC which regulates non-EU nationals in possession of EC long-term residence permit, saying its possessor can move to another EU member state to work. So, my question is how in practice is respected this directive?Wanderer wrote:Not sure - wouldn't u get Italian PR first, under Italian Residency rules and then citizenship - upon receipt of that then u can move around under the directive.
At the moment I can't see how u r considered to be under EEA rules.
Appreciate your attention and willingness to help me, but I feel you don't have knowledge about Council Directive 2003/109/EC. As I explicitly said a couple of times, this directive regulates non-EU or non-EEA nationals with long-term residence permit in a EU space. It has nothing to do with EEA citizens. If it interests you please consult link below:Wanderer wrote: Exactly, Italian Residency Permit - as far a I can see u r in Italy under Italian Immigration Law, not EEA law so the directive won't apply to u until u become an Italian Citizen.
Please explain how you think u r covered by EEA law here?
OK, I'm leaving this one alone...waldymar wrote:Appreciate your attention and willingness to help me, but I feel you don't have knowledge about Council Directive 2003/109/EC. As I explicitly said a couple of times, this directive regulates non-EU or non-EEA nationals with long-term residence permit in a EU space. It has nothing to do with EEA citizens. If it interests you please consult link below:Wanderer wrote: Exactly, Italian Residency Permit - as far a I can see u r in Italy under Italian Immigration Law, not EEA law so the directive won't apply to u until u become an Italian Citizen.
Please explain how you think u r covered by EEA law here?
http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/ ... 034_en.htm
You are right of course. Have you made sure that Germany has fully implemented the Directive (some member states appear to have not)? My understanding is that getting a job still may depend on quotas. I can't advice you but if you understand German you could try http://www.info4alien.de/cgi-bin/forum/ ... i?board=EU for more information. (Well, maybe you could also try it in English.) You would have to register.waldymar wrote:As I explicitly said a couple of times, this directive regulates non-EU or non-EEA nationals with long-term residence permit in a EU space. It has nothing to do with EEA citizens.
Yes, I think Germany adopted this directive, this is what I found - http://www.zuwanderung.de/nn_1120100/EN ... 85792.html. But, I'm not sure how in practice it works. Actually, it was my appeal here.86ti wrote: Have you made sure that Germany has fully implemented the Directive (some member states appear to have not)?
No clue about quotas. I've never heard about them.86ti wrote:My understanding is that getting a job still may depend on quotas.
Thanks a lot for the link. I will try it, although don't speak German. Yesterday, I wrote to German Migration Board with the same question. As soon as I have a reply, I will post it here. But, my focus is not only on Germany. Personally, beside Germany, I'm interested in Belgium, Luxembourg.86ti wrote:I can't advice you but if you understand German you could try http://www.info4alien.de/cgi-bin/forum/ ... i?board=EU for more information. (Well, maybe you could also try it in English.) You would have to register.
You are 100%. This is what I'm currently facing. Employers put EU nationals in priority. But, I think that long-term PR is simplifying the procedure and will eliminate the tedious work permit application.lifeart wrote:The EU-PR for third country nationals is not as straightforward as it looks if you are seeking to be employed. Some member states, among them Germany, will put the non-EU nationals' application through a "labour certification" process to see (throughout the entire EU), if there is no EU-citizen available for the job in question. In other words, you will not have an easy time to work for someone if the kind of job you are looking for would actually attract many job seekers that are EU cotizens. Self sufficiency status will work, and also if you work for yourself and/or are establishing some kind of a business
You need an EU citizenship before you can travel alone without visas. Your EU rights derive from ur EU spouse.exoticbeauty wrote:Hello,
I am russian citizen married to a romanian since 2004,i had a "residence card for family members" so we were going to Bulgaria with it,my passport and marriage certificiate(which i always presented and they look at me,like "whats this for"and give it back to me right away,leaving with my passport and residence card,bring back after stamp,and if somehow i didnt give the marriage certificate,they were yelling,we cant let you through etc,but i still had the paper with me and went through ).But 6 month ago i applied for permanent residence,since i fit all the conditions.And now i am a holder of "permanent residence card for family members"it looks exactly the same like one before,just have a word "permanent"and longer validity period,which is 10 instead of 5.
by the directive 2003/109 i hoped that now i can travel(like a tourist,for a week or so) alone within the EU(besides those 3 countries uk,irl,denmark),so i wrote an email to embassy of finland,asking if i can visit Finland on my own since now i am permanent resident of EU state,i noted that the derictive i mentioned above might allow me to do that.But i was disappointed by the answer "you do need a visa to visit Finland,but since u r married to EU citizen,it is free for you"
Please,tell me,can i or can i not travel within EU if i was granted permanent residence status(but Romania which is EU but not Shengen),i no longer understand who to belive,last time when i was passin bulgarian customs,with my husb,residence card for family members and valid passport,they didnt want to let me cross the border(we were on car),they said that i am not allowed to pass,becouse i told them that we were going to BG for a few hours and come back same day(as we do often,we live near the border and my passport is full of BG stamps)He said,since im russian,married to romanian,they only can allow me to transit BG,but not visit it,so i said ok,im going to next country whatever it is after you,he got mad red face,stamped my passport and we went throuh.
I assume your permanent residence card was issued by the UK. Article 5(2) of the DIrective 2004/38/EC appears to apply only to residence cards not permanent residence card but Article 5(4) states that, should you not have a visa but can proof your relationship to the EEA national (and are travelling together with him/her or joining him/her) by other means (marriage certificate), you should be able to enter a member state.exoticbeauty wrote:I am russian citizen married to a romanian since 2004,i had a "residence card for family members" so we were going to Bulgaria with it,my passport and marriage certificiate(which i always presented and they look at me,like "whats this for"and give it back to me right away,leaving with my passport and residence card,bring back after stamp,and if somehow i didnt give the marriage certificate,they were yelling,we cant let you through etc,but i still had the paper with me and went through ).But 6 month ago i applied for permanent residence, ...
well becouse i am a third country citizen,holdin a permanent resident permit,things in my family do not work good and we might split up,so then im no longer under 2004/38 directive...and the 2003/109 says that you can move to another member state(with some conditions of course) but it says "once you moved to another state,you have to apply for residence before your 90 days expire " so how could i possibly move to another state,look for job or univercity to study and see if i can find a place to live etc if i cant visit that country ...maybe im wrong and i just see what i want to see,but i though it was logic that i can enter any state now(exept uk,irl and denmark),will i stay up to 90 day or will i ask for residence its my own business,for the moment i like it in Romania,but i wanted to visit other states as a tourist,though i could and romanian imigrant office says that i CAN visit other states without husband if im married or even if i was never married but if i hold permanent residence of EU and i do86ti wrote:
I am not sure why you would think that Directive 2003/109/EC would be of relevance here.