True. So if they started deporting vast numbers of failed asylum seekers, bogus students and illegals, you would not scream beloved, yes?First-Class Moron wrote: Two wrongs dont make a right, true but your government needs to tighten up its laws.
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True. So if they started deporting vast numbers of failed asylum seekers, bogus students and illegals, you would not scream beloved, yes?First-Class Moron wrote: Two wrongs dont make a right, true but your government needs to tighten up its laws.
No i would certainly not scream beloved, no way especially if it is done within the confines of the rule of law.IrishTom wrote:True. So if they started deporting vast numbers of failed asylum seekers, bogus students and illegals, you would not scream beloved, yes?First-Class Moron wrote: Two wrongs dont make a right, true but your government needs to tighten up its laws.
Most asylum seekers are denied outright regardless of the validity of their case. It's been pointed out here loads of times how the Irish government takes as face value the Nigerian governments "assurances" of its ability to protect its citizens when there is a multitude of evidence that this patently false. That's besides your average flatfoot in the INIS not knowing his mule from his elbow much less what goes on "beyond the pale".First-Class Moron wrote:No i would certainly not scream beloved, no way especially if it is done within the confines of the rule of law.IrishTom wrote:True. So if they started deporting vast numbers of failed asylum seekers, bogus students and illegals, you would not scream beloved, yes?First-Class Moron wrote: Two wrongs dont make a right, true but your government needs to tighten up its laws.
Thank you Sovtec, that is why i said to Irish Tom that if it is not done according to the law then i would make noise. Irish Tom seems to want to bury his head in the sand, how can a government that lacks the ability to grasp the act of governance know the difference between the rule of law and jungle justice.sovtek wrote:Most asylum seekers are denied outright regardless of the validity of their case. It's been pointed out here loads of times how the Irish government takes as face value the Nigerian governments "assurances" of its ability to protect its citizens when there is a multitude of evidence that this patently false. That's besides your average flatfoot in the INIS not knowing his mule from his elbow much less what goes on "beyond the pale".First-Class Moron wrote:No i would certainly not scream beloved, no way especially if it is done within the confines of the rule of law.IrishTom wrote:True. So if they started deporting vast numbers of failed asylum seekers, bogus students and illegals, you would not scream beloved, yes?First-Class Moron wrote: Two wrongs dont make a right, true but your government needs to tighten up its laws.
I would also point out that the MoJ has what's known as "ministerial discretion" which means he's judge, jury and executioner. That's not law but a farce.
Mr moderator, you need to direct your warning to everybody using offensive language, why is it just directed towards me.archigabe wrote:First-Class Moron, I just read your previous post here.First-Class Moron wrote:And i am from Timbuktu,D*******jhbmike wrote:I am from an african country and take no exeption to that statement. The facts are that the majority of applicants that applied for leave to remain based on a child being born here were mainly from african countries. The babies were quite literall falling out on the tarmac.El shaddai wrote:Hi craicindublin, i agreed on ur point of Govt to step up and do something about the marriage of convenience.But i think u are totally wrong by saying "when people from african countries started a trend of coming into this country to deliver their babies which started from early 98 "is it only Africans coming to have babies in ireland? would have been better if u dont mention any race or continent.
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"I am from an african country" does not quite cut it.jhbmike wrote:I am from an african country and take no exeption to that statement. The facts are that the majority of applicants that applied for leave to remain based on a child being born here were mainly from african countries. The babies were quite literall falling out on the tarmac.El shaddai wrote:Hi craicindublin, i agreed on ur point of Govt to step up and do something about the marriage of convenience.But i think u are totally wrong by saying "when people from african countries started a trend of coming into this country to deliver their babies which started from early 98 "is it only Africans coming to have babies in ireland? would have been better if u dont mention any race or continent.
You are spouting pure unadultarated nonsense.sovtek wrote:
Most asylum seekers are denied outright regardless of the validity of their case. It's been pointed out here loads of times how the Irish government takes as face value the Nigerian governments "assurances" of its ability to protect its citizens when there is a multitude of evidence that this patently false. That's besides your average flatfoot in the INIS not knowing his mule from his elbow much less what goes on "beyond the pale".
I would also point out that the MoJ has what's known as "ministerial discretion" which means he's judge, jury and executioner. That's not law but a farce.
Only whitey is dearly beloved.iamanalien wrote: "I am from an african country" does not quite cut it.
Millions of white people are from Africa.
Many, not all, are notoriously dearly beloved.
Not saying you are but your comment certainly doesn't suggest that you're not.
"literall falling on the tarmac" - Hard to imagine, even harder to believe.
Go and look up the meaning of literally in the dictionary.
think you have your statistics wrong there Irish Tom. If you check CSO, you will see that there are only circa 38,000 AFRICANS (so thats not just Nigerians, other Africans countries too) living in Ireland... so 20,000 Nigerians couldnt possibly be on the dole!IrishTom wrote: You are spouting pure unadultarated nonsense.
Why were only 500 work permits issued to Nigerians, yet circa 20,000 of them are registered with social welfare?
Only 500 work permits were issued to Nigerians in the history of the work permit programme. How the hell did 38,000 get in here?jennybean wrote:think you have your statistics wrong there Irish Tom. If you check CSO, you will see that there are only circa 38,000 AFRICANS (so thats not just Nigerians, other Africans countries too) living in Ireland... so 20,000 Nigerians couldnt possibly be on the dole!IrishTom wrote: You are spouting pure unadultarated nonsense.
Why were only 500 work permits issued to Nigerians, yet circa 20,000 of them are registered with social welfare?
There are deportation orders issued every day! The majority are not in the media because it causes problems then for the government because they then have protesters and human rights groups etc protesting either where the deportees are being detained or outside govt! And there is more than 1(by one I mean one plane full) deportation a month.IrishTom wrote:
Why are so few deportation orders issued? Why are so few enforced? Why are 90% of asylum seekers refused refugee status yet issued with leave to remain?
If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
I meant in general, all his posts like, not the ones on this post and he regurgitates ALL of the exact same information on nearly every post, there is no need for that, yes Irish Tom we get it, we have seen your statistics, no need to copy and paste them to every thread!!!inwarsaw wrote:If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
Agree .inwarsaw wrote:If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
Jennybean: it was you who resurrected this thread that I at least had hoped had died off, as it like many other threads of late had descended into pointless arguments. You are only exacerbating the situation by getting involved. You've just joined the forum so maybe chill for a while before getting involved in argumenents or just simply pick your battles. You only have to read a few threads posted by IrishTom or First-Class Moron to get their views. I don't see how it's worthwhile to argue back with them on multiple posts. 1 thread would suffice where you could and give your own, but doing it on multiple threads is just doing the same as them.jennybean wrote:One last note to you Irish Tom, because it actually makes my skin crawl to have to even talk to you.... WHY THE F**K ARE YOU ON THIS FORUM?!?!?!?!?!?! IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS TO PROVE HOW MUCH YOU HATE IMMIGRATION!!! GET A LIFE WILL YE!!!!
Define a sham marriage, are you a law officer? we are not here to judge or be judged, it is upto the relevant authorities to do their respective jobs and fish out these sham marriages.inwarsaw wrote:If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
Sham marriage is the one where the actual purpose is to secure the immigration status for non-EEA and for that purpose, the farce of love and relationship and living together is created to dodge the system on one hand, and decieve the poor girl on the other.First-Class Moron wrote:Define a sham marriage, are you a law officer? we are not here to judge or be judged, it is upto the relevant authorities to do their respective jobs and fish out these sham marriages.inwarsaw wrote:If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
Defintion as per wiki.First-Class Moron wrote: Define a sham marriage, are you a law officer? we are not here to judge or be judged, it is upto the relevant authorities to do their respective jobs and fish out these sham marriages.
Darn, theres me providing facts and statistics. Sorry......jennybean wrote:
CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
Thanks for your support.Rattlesnake wrote: Agree .
Also no one has the right to start F'ing at people and telling them they are not allowed on this site (if a person breaks the rules or need removing that is a mod/admin issue ) Also the poster seems to have made a few negative comments about Ireland and Irish people which may explain why she is attacking IrishTom
Hopefully the site mods keep an eye on this ....
Yes, Europe needs to adopt US laws, there wouldnt be much left of the Irish nation with the amount of Crime- you would all be electrocuted.IrishTom wrote:Defintion as per wiki.First-Class Moron wrote: Define a sham marriage, are you a law officer? we are not here to judge or be judged, it is upto the relevant authorities to do their respective jobs and fish out these sham marriages.
Marriage for legal benefits of personal convenience often constitutes a sham marriage, including marrying solely to gain legal status as an immigrant. The couple marries with knowledge that the marriage is solely for the purpose of obtaining legal status for the man or woman in the destination country. This is frequently arranged as a business transaction. This occurs more commonly with foreigners already in the country. U.S. Immigration (USCIS) can punish this with a $250,000 fine and five-year prison sentence.
Europe should adopt a similar approach.
"If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime" What crime have you commited by giving advice, non whatsoever.inwarsaw wrote:Sham marriage is the one where the actual purpose is to secure the immigration status for non-EEA and for that purpose, the farce of love and relationship and living together is created to dodge the system on one hand, and decieve the poor girl on the other.First-Class Moron wrote:Define a sham marriage, are you a law officer? we are not here to judge or be judged, it is upto the relevant authorities to do their respective jobs and fish out these sham marriages.inwarsaw wrote:If Irish Tom or someone else thinks a marriage is sham, he shouldn't advise because in that case, he would be advising how to dodge the system. In other words, advising how to commit a crime which itself is a crime.jennybean wrote:
IT IS MEANT FOR ADVISING PEOPLE, NOT CRITICISING IMMIGRANTS AND PROVIDING STATISTICS
True nobody is here to judge or be judged but everyone is here to speak their mind.
Thats us, all criminals.First-Class Moron wrote: Yes, Europe needs to adopt US laws, there wouldnt be much left of the Irish nation with the amount of Crime- you would all be electrocuted.