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I would only give Irish citizenship to those who are of Irish ancestery.smalltime wrote: 5 years waiting for naturalisation and 3 years in a limbo if youll ever get citizenship even though you came here LEGALLY as a worker, now with family paying tax and still working,mortgage, used to the life here. (adapted to become irish) do i have to wait long without peace of mind knowing that if i get a speeding ticket i might not be naturalised.
Then I suppose you think all those Irish Americans should be sent back home then eh?IrishTom wrote:I would only give Irish citizenship to those who are of Irish ancestery.smalltime wrote: 5 years waiting for naturalisation and 3 years in a limbo if youll ever get citizenship even though you came here LEGALLY as a worker, now with family paying tax and still working,mortgage, used to the life here. (adapted to become irish) do i have to wait long without peace of mind knowing that if i get a speeding ticket i might not be naturalised.
Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.acme4242 wrote:reminds my of the Irish ballard "The Fields of Athenry" except
its a real Irish family behind it, in 2010, and its Athlone
You could not make it up...
Because prior to 2003, the Minister saw the right of an Irish Children more important / significant than a non irish national marrying an irish person, whenzafarzafar wrote:I think the genuine spouse should not be deported, its unfair with the wife here. alot of nigerians burden on the state are enjoying life from years and years and nothing happen to them so why this man is penelized.
ladies and gentlemen all i can say is just read this post from irishtom and you will know what kind of person he is.IrishTom wrote:I would only give Irish citizenship to those who are of Irish ancestery.smalltime wrote: 5 years waiting for naturalisation and 3 years in a limbo if youll ever get citizenship even though you came here LEGALLY as a worker, now with family paying tax and still working,mortgage, used to the life here. (adapted to become irish) do i have to wait long without peace of mind knowing that if i get a speeding ticket i might not be naturalised.
yes, of course Ahern would use the words "unemployed Insurgent with criminal conviction"IrishTom wrote: Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.
43 nations operate the exact same polciy, including the economic powerhouse that is Japan.smalltime wrote: ladies and gentlemen all i can say is just read this post from irishtom and you will know what kind of person he is.
I have a lot of irish friends and been telling this to them about irishtom and guess what they told me....
I am amused by this comparison, care to explain? THe European Court on Human Rights have dealt with these type cases for years, and see no problem with this occuring when there are no Unreasonable obstacles in the way for expecting a couple to live elsewhere.acme4242 wrote:reminds my of the Irish ballard "The Fields of Athenry" except
its a real Irish family behind it, in 2010, and its Athlone
You could not make it up...
Actually its worse because this man committed no crime.IrishTom wrote:Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.acme4242 wrote:reminds my of the Irish ballard "The Fields of Athenry" except
its a real Irish family behind it, in 2010, and its Athlone
You could not make it up...
You miss the point. Yes its worse because their is no crime. But Fields of Athenry were about a foreign nation deporting an Irish person from their lands and relocating (nicest word i can think of atmo) to another country.sovtek wrote:Actually its worse because this man committed no crime.IrishTom wrote:Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.acme4242 wrote:reminds my of the Irish ballard "The Fields of Athenry" except
its a real Irish family behind it, in 2010, and its Athlone
You could not make it up...
I don't think its got anything to do with race, colour etc. Its because of their LEGAL STATUS. The same would occur if the non national was American who has no entitlement to Irish/EU citizenship (i wonder though)acme4242 wrote:yes, of course Ahern would use the words "unemployed Insurgent with criminal conviction"IrishTom wrote: Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.
When Ahern considers it acceptable to implement reverse discrimination against the Irish, and makes decisions based on class or race, and considers the Irish family somehow less worthy, its exactly like the earlier administration.
http://irelandsreversediscrimination.wordpress.com/
I'm joking but "all Ireland is doing" is not only incarcerating a man indefinately and then deporting him against his will but also breaching the rights of a citizen of this country to associate freely.walrusgumble wrote:You miss the point. Yes its worse because their is no crime. But Fields of Athenry were about a foreign nation deporting an Irish person from their lands and relocating (nicest word i can think of atmo) to another country.sovtek wrote:Actually its worse because this man committed no crime.IrishTom wrote:Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.acme4242 wrote:reminds my of the Irish ballard "The Fields of Athenry" except
its a real Irish family behind it, in 2010, and its Athlone
You could not make it up...
All Ireland is doing, like any other country is returning a foreign national back to their country
Sovek, not all parts of Nigeria are in complete poltical melt down! Not enough to show persecution/serious harm. Several other countries such as UK (in fairness may be a weak example in relation to Nigeria) and Canada have found that if state protection is REASONABLY possible then one does not merit protection from another country. See the experts texts from likes of Hathaway. Secondly, court from other countries have found that state protection need not be perfectsovtek wrote:Nope especially when they are manned by idiots that don't know where Nigeria is much less it's political situation.IrishTom wrote:He is a failed asylum seeker. Ergo he has to be deported. You do believe in border controls, right?sovtek wrote:Actually its worse because this man committed no crime.
Really, actually, the wee place was part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland.But Fields of Athenry were about a foreign nation deporting an Irish person from their lands and relocating (nicest word i can think of atmo) to another country
So you believe a person right to marry should be based upon nationality?walrusgumble wrote:I don't think its got anything to do with race, colour etc. Its because of their LEGAL STATUS. The same would occur if the non national was American who has no entitlement to Irish/EU citizenship (i wonder though)acme4242 wrote:yes, of course Ahern would use the words "unemployed Insurgent with criminal conviction"IrishTom wrote: Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.
When Ahern considers it acceptable to implement reverse discrimination against the Irish, and makes decisions based on class or race, and considers the Irish family somehow less worthy, its exactly like the earlier administration.
http://irelandsreversediscrimination.wordpress.com/
If you look at INIS, it has, for years made its position very clear on this position. So why get married if you think that will help you get status, why go through with all the crap? Love? please, normally yes, but be honest, how many consider that (ie genuine ones) Ye don't need to be married to be in a loving relationship?
Seriously though, for point of valid and decent debate, can anyone point out any countries that accept illegal non nationals residency on basis of marriage?
It is sickening though with the reserve discrimination when you happen to be from a visa required country and treated with suspicion, even if that spouse was legal in their own right before marriage