sovtek wrote:walrusgumble wrote:acme4242 wrote:IrishTom wrote:
Yes, deporting a failed asylum seeker back to his country of origin is similar to the transportation of an Irish man to Australia for petty theft.
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yes, of course Ahern would use the words "unemployed Insurgent with criminal conviction"
When Ahern considers it acceptable to implement reverse discrimination against the Irish, and makes decisions based on class or race, and considers the Irish family somehow less worthy, its exactly like the earlier administration.
http://irelandsreversediscrimination.wordpress.com/
I don't think its got anything to do with race, colour etc. Its because of their LEGAL STATUS. The same would occur if the non national was American who has no entitlement to Irish/EU citizenship (i wonder though)
If you look at INIS, it has, for years made its position very clear on this position. So why get married if you think that will help you get status, why go through with all the crap? Love? please, normally yes, but be honest, how many consider that (ie genuine ones) Ye don't need to be married to be in a loving relationship?
Seriously though, for point of valid and decent debate, can anyone point out any countries that accept illegal non nationals residency on basis of marriage?
It is sickening though with the reserve discrimination when you happen to be from a visa required country and treated with suspicion, even if that spouse was legal in their own right before marriage
So you believe a person right to marry should be based upon nationality?
I am in fact in a relationship with an Irish national and have " no right to citizenship". You will see what will happen if there is an attempt to seperate us against our will.
A person has a choice of who they marrying and have an unqualified right to marry. Period. 9 times out of 10 one does not choose what nationality they fall in love with. So no, absolutely not, I do not believe a right to marry should be based upon nationality.
However, you are missing the point here; Ireland has not stopped the family's right to marry. THey simply are stopping their right to reside solely on basis of marriage. Point being, why put yourself through hassle of marrying if you know it will mean separation if you don't wish to live with spouse elsewhere where there is no obstacles in doing so. Second, would they have bothered getting married in the first place if they foresaw what would happen.
The laws are the laws, and can not be hajacked. Get married, but don't expect absolute right to reside if you were illegal before hand as it potentially creates serious loop holes.
Sovek, I assume you are legal. You won't have any problems residing on the basis of marriage if you wish to marry
By the way, less of the pumped up action you will see what will happen, sorry sir, respectively, are you going to take on the whole of the GNIB? really? what would you do about it if you don't have the law on your side?
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Respectively, if the gentleman in the post had that attitude, he would be thrown into the plane faster than you finished that sentence. The minister is not trying to separate you, if the marriage is genuine, sincere efforts would be made to go and live elsewhere
Again, you miss the point. In order to say no, the Minister would have to look at the following, in order to lawful say no
(1) look at length of time in Ireland
(2) length of time in pre and post marriage
(3) children? their ages? Education?
(4) Family commitments in Ireland
(5) is there a family life
(6) Could they reasonably be expected to live elsewhere?
Respectively, I again ask to kindly point out at least three countries that would accept this situation where the spouse is not legal