is this passport fraud

[k4iser]

hi, im sorry if this is a wrong part of the forum. i wanted to know that i know someone who has had a baby in the uk and
needed to go abroad quickly, but she has only been in uk for 1 and 5 months, the requirments to make child passport is for a person in a profesional
job to countersign the back of the child photo, confirming they have known the adult for more than 2 years. she has paid the countersignatory to sign for her but i have no prove.
i am concerned as she may be involved in other illegal activity.

will this come under fraud and make the passport invalid.

could there be a punishment

will the applicant(mother) and the countersignatory be held responsible.

or just one of them

[London102]

Hello k4iser,

It entirely depends what YOUR intentions are.

There are certain acts that apparently look suspecious, nevertheless upon closely observing turn out to be appropriate in overcoming a practical problem. An example would be where you get your signature and photographs notorized by a local solicitor or accountant. Accountants do all the time provide reference letters.

It is to be looked more thoroughly as to why did she pay to someone to acquire signatures. But I am still of the opinion as to why would some one want to ruin somebody's life for a mere suspision unless there is a grudge?

Regards,

hi, im sorry if this is a wrong part of the forum. i wanted to know that i know someone who has had a baby in the uk and
needed to go abroad quickly, but she has only been in uk for 1 and 5 months, the requirments to make child passport is for a person in a profesional
job to countersign the back of the child photo, confirming they have known the adult for more than 2 years. she has paid the countersignatory to sign for her but i have no prove.
i am concerned as she may be involved in other illegal activity.

will this come under fraud and make the passport invalid.

could there be a punishment

will the applicant(mother) and the countersignatory be held responsible.

or just one of them

[k4iser]

Hello k4iser,

It entirely depends what YOUR intentions are.

There are certain acts that apparently look suspecious, nevertheless upon closely observing turn out to be appropriate in overcoming a practical problem. An example would be where you get your signature and photographs notorized by a local solicitor or accountant. Accountants do all the time provide reference letters.

It is to be looked more thoroughly as to why did she pay to someone to acquire signatures. But I am still of the opinion as to why would some one want to ruin somebody's life for a mere suspision unless there is a grudge?

Regards,

lol!, i have no bad intentions but i have a lot of friends in need of advice, regarding these matters of fraud and deception.

[John]

she has only been in uk for 1 and 5 months, the requirments to make child passport is for a person in a profesional job to countersign the back of the child photo, confirming they have known the adult for more than 2 years. she has paid the countersignatory to sign for her but i have no prove.

You are making an assumption, and you may not be correct!

Let's put it this way. When my own wife applied for Naturalisation, having been in the UK for just 3 years, one of her referees certified that he had known her for 22 years! And he did that correctly and honestly. That is, he had known her for many years prior to her coming to the UK.

So k4iser, are you absolutely sure that the person you are talking about, and the person who signed the form, did not know each other prior to them both living in the UK?

[parvus1202]

I am confused. She has only been in the UK for 1.5 months and had a baby here? Is she married to a UK citizen? If not, then how can she get a baby's passport if she has no ILR? Now if she is married to a UK citizen, should the father be the one to apply for the passport and don't need to pay anyone for a signature as the father have a lot of friends?

[k4iser]

I am confused. She has only been in the UK for 1.5 months and had a baby here? Is she married to a UK citizen? If not, then how can she get a baby's passport if she has no ILR? Now if she is married to a UK citizen, should the father be the one to apply for the passport and don't need to pay anyone for a signature as the father have a lot of friends?

her husband left her after 6 months due to her being violant, she moved out and had her visa curtailed, she had not told the husband she was pregnant until after she had the baby, and applied for passport and ran off back home to pakistan. i dont know where she got fathers details to fill in application.

[Wanderer]

I am confused. She has only been in the UK for 1.5 months and had a baby here? Is she married to a UK citizen? If not, then how can she get a baby's passport if she has no ILR? Now if she is married to a UK citizen, should the father be the one to apply for the passport and don't need to pay anyone for a signature as the father have a lot of friends?

her husband left her after 6 months due to her being violant, she moved out and had her visa curtailed, she had not told the husband she was pregnant until after she had the baby, and applied for passport and ran off back home to pakistan. i dont know where she got fathers details to fill in application.

I detect a hidden agenda, what's her ulterior motive - to get ILR/BC via the child?

[BLK235]

How old is the baby?

[safwan]

this is a fiction story

no one on this planet will believe it

[immigrationuk2009]

hi, im sorry if this is a wrong part of the forum. i wanted to know that i know someone who has had a baby in the uk and
needed to go abroad quickly, but she has only been in uk for 1 and 5 months, the requirments to make child passport is for a person in a profesional
job to countersign the back of the child photo, confirming they have known the adult for more than 2 years. she has paid the countersignatory to sign for her but i have no prove.
i am concerned as she may be involved in other illegal activity.

will this come under fraud and make the passport invalid.

could there be a punishment

will the applicant(mother) and the counter signatory be held responsible.

or just one of them

Do you have child British Certificate.


UK_Banned_Member

[immigrationuk2009]

I am confused. She has only been in the UK for 1.5 months and had a baby here? Is she married to a UK citizen? If not, then how can she get a baby's passport if she has no ILR? Now if she is married to a UK citizen, should the father be the one to apply for the passport and don't need to pay anyone for a signature as the father have a lot of friends?

her husband left her after 6 months due to her being violant, she moved out and had her visa curtailed, she had not told the husband she was pregnant until after she had the baby, and applied for passport and ran off back home to pakistan. i dont know where she got fathers details to fill in application.

I detect a hidden agenda, what's her ulterior motive - to get ILR/BC via the child?

So what......Is this a crime?

If you can get passport through access to child visa route then she is legally entitled to.

Please if you dont know about something then keep quite.

UK_Banned_Member

[immigrationuk2009]

this is a fiction story

no one on this planet will believe it

She has put her story in detail on many forums..

So this is not fiction.

A real story ..unfortunately


UK_Banned_Member

[PaperPusher]

Yes immigrationuk2009, but from a different viewpoint each time.