At UK airports interrogation

[Sushil-ACCA]

a remark uwanted for hard services by UK BIA staff

do u know in day how many cheaters r try to sneak in country ?

Well, do you know?

Enforcing the law, is NO excuse for harassment.

Would you want your parents to be harassed, detained or deported - if they are coming into the UK on a visitor visa to join you for a few months?

Asking questions by UK BIA Team is not called harresment.
no one get arrested or detianed without any issue

so always cooperative for sooth immigration

if some one got a visa does not mean they loose their patient and for harrresment their are other procedures r presnt , such as u can request hgher officer etc etc.

[need_a_tier1]

Asking questions by UK BIA Team is not called harresment.

Harassment refers to a wide spectrum of offensive behavior.The term commonly refers to behavior intended to disturb or upset, and, when the term is used in a legal sense, it refers to behaviours which are found threatening or disturbing.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harassment

[aruni4470]

Just for information, the document above is related to "overseas visitors" and NOT to "ordinarily resident" people in the UK:

I believe you have not gone through the document and just have read the title of the document. If the above document is only for overseas visitors, why is it talking about people working in UK, full time students etc., ??

Also, I know the difference between Hospital treatment and GP treatment and we are not talking about asylum seekers who don't go out and come in into the country and have nothing to do with immigration officers at the airport.

Well, this is over the top, remember, they are IMMIGRATION OFFICERS - so have to be aware of different types of visas and restrictions on them.

Even if two persons have the same type of visa their entitlement to free NHS HOSPITAL treatment depends on their personal circumstances.

4.27 Regulation 8(a) and 8(b) - A person is exempt from charges when they are present in the UK (and other designated places specified in the Charging Regulations) for the purpose of engaging in employment with an employer who has his principle place of business in the UK or is registered in the UK as a branch of an overseas company, or for engaging in employment as a self-employed person whose principle place of business is in the UK. It is not sufficient to have the right to work here, they must be actually in work or have a firm and specific job offer if they are here shortly before commencing it.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/gro ... 113267.pdf

And, there is a difference between "Free NHS treatment at hospitals" and "Free NHS treatment from a GP". For example, if you’re a refugee or asylum seeker, or are waiting for your asylum request to be considered you are entitled to "Free NHS treatment at hospitals", but a GP can choose NOT to register refugees or asylum seekers so they do not always get "Free NHS treatment from a GP".

A GP cannot refuse somebody just because he is an asylum seeker or refugee, they can only refuge if they are not registering new patients or he/she does not live near the practice.

153. Asylum seekers may apply for registration with a GP. The Department of Health
guidance states that the GP must consider such an application on its merits and should
decline it only if the GP’s patient list is formally closed to new registrations or if the
practice has some other good non-discriminatory reasons for refusing that individual.
There is currently no legislation requiring GPs to charge refused asylum seekers, but
Department of Health guidance for England and Wales discourages GPs from registering
refused asylum seekers as patients. 212 Practices do retain the discretion to register refused
asylum seekers, or to continue an existing registration.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 81/81i.pdf

[need_a_tier1]

Just for information, the document above is related to "overseas visitors" and NOT to "ordinarily resident" people in the UK:

I believe you have not gone through the document and just have read the title of the document. If the above document is only for overseas visitors, why is it talking about people working in UK, full time students etc., ??

Also, I know the difference between Hospital treatment and GP treatment and we are not talking about asylum seekers who don't go out and come in into the country and have nothing to do with immigration officers at the airport.

Well, this is over the top, remember, they are IMMIGRATION OFFICERS - so have to be aware of different types of visas and restrictions on them.

Even if two persons have the same type of visa their entitlement to free NHS HOSPITAL treatment depends on their personal circumstances.

4.27 Regulation 8(a) and 8(b) - A person is exempt from charges when they are present in the UK (and other designated places specified in the Charging Regulations) for the purpose of engaging in employment with an employer who has his principle place of business in the UK or is registered in the UK as a branch of an overseas company, or for engaging in employment as a self-employed person whose principle place of business is in the UK. It is not sufficient to have the right to work here, they must be actually in work or have a firm and specific job offer if they are here shortly before commencing it.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/prod_consum_dh/gro ... 113267.pdf

Well, NOT completely correct as there is contradictory information here:

http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Healthcare/Enti ... /DH_074390

What if I should need hospital treatment?

Under the current regulations, anyone who has been living lawfully in the UK for 12 months immediately prior to receiving NHS hospital treatment in England is fully exempt from charges for that treatment. Any temporary absence from the UK during that period, of not more than three months, may be counted as part of the 12-month qualifying period. This exemption applies to your spouse, civil partner and children (under the age of 16 or 19 if in further education) if they are living with you in the UK on a permanent basis. When you go to hospital you can expect to be asked to show that you are entitled to live in the UK, as well as that you have actually been living here for the last year.

So, NO relation to the fact that you "engage in employment" or not. In my opinion, the Tier-1 visa is the evidence that you intend to 'engage in employment'.

My own experience was the GPs practice -- asked for nothing more than my proof of address. No passport, no id. Why did they NOT follow the regulations (may be left it for immigration officers to check and decide randomly).

[aruni4470]

My own experience was the GPs practice -- asked for nothing more than my proof of address. No passport, no id. Why did they NOT follow the regulations (may be left it for immigration officers to check).

This is GP and the 12 month rule you have quoted is for hospital treatment.

What if I should need hospital treatment?

Under the current regulations, anyone who has been living lawfully in the UK for 12 months immediately prior to receiving NHS hospital treatment in England is fully exempt from charges for that treatment. Any temporary absence from the UK during that period, of not more than three months, may be counted as part of the 12-month qualifying period. This exemption applies to your spouse, civil partner and children (under the age of 16 or 19 if in further education) if they are living with you in the UK on a permanent basis. When you go to hospital you can expect to be asked to show that you are entitled to live in the UK, as well as that you have actually been living here for the last year.


So, NO relation to the fact that you "engage in employment" or not. In my opinion, the Tier-1 visa is the evidence that you intend to 'engage in employment'.

What if the Tier 1 visa holder has not been in UK for 12 months and doesnt have a job?

[need_a_tier1]

153. Asylum seekers may apply for registration with a GP. The Department of Health
guidance states that the GP must consider such an application on its merits and should
decline it only if the GP’s patient list is formally closed to new registrations or if the
practice has some other good non-discriminatory reasons for refusing that individual.
There is currently no legislation requiring GPs to charge refused asylum seekers, but
Department of Health guidance for England and Wales discourages GPs from registering
refused asylum seekers as patients. 212 Practices do retain the discretion to register refused
asylum seekers, or to continue an existing registration.

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/p ... 81/81i.pdf

Yes, there is a difference between "failed asylum seekers" and "asylum seekers or refugees who have been given leave to remain in the UK, or are awaiting results of an application to remain in the country":

The rules around who GPs should treat for free are fairly flexible. A GP can choose to register overseas visitors as temporary residents, or, if they are in the UK for longer than three months, accept them onto their lists. Technically this could apply to failed asylum seekers or immigrants, although this is left down to the decision of the individual GP. If a GP decides not to register an overseas visitor or treat them as a temporary resident, they can still treat that individual on a private basis, but this means that they will be charged.

In addition, asylum seekers or refugees who have been given leave to remain in the UK, or are awaiting results of an application to remain in the country, are eligible for free GP treatment.

[aruni4470]

And, there is a difference between "Free NHS treatment at hospitals" and "Free NHS treatment from a GP". For example, if you’re a refugee or asylum seeker, or are waiting for your asylum request to be considered you are entitled to "Free NHS treatment at hospitals", but a GP can choose NOT to register refugees or asylum seekers so they do not always get "Free NHS treatment from a GP".

Yes, there is a difference between "failed asylum seekers" and "asylum seekers or refugees who have been given leave to remain in the UK, or are awaiting results of an application to remain in the country":

You were talking about asylum seekers and refugees in your previous post not failed asylum seekers.