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Well, Stamp 5 and Irish citizenship I would say it is the same in all the tax and pension entitlement. Only big different is that you cannot work or live in another EU countries if you only holding Stamp 5, but Irish Citizenship would allow you to stay, live and work in any EU or EEA members state without time limit.v emmy wrote:I am a U.S. citizen, living/working here continuously for same employer for just over 10 years. I have Stamp 5.
I applied for citizenship in November,2009. Got ref. no, no prob, so it's being processed.
But a friend who used to work at Migrant Rights Ireland asked me why was I applying for citizenship when I already have Stamp 5. He says I have all the "entitlements" of an Irish citizen already.
First off, I'd say I won't be able to vote in national elections, so that tells me I dont have all the entitlements.
What other disadvantages or restrictions would there be should I not continue with the citizenship application and save the €€ and hassle of the paperwork towards the end of the process?
I am 60 yrs old, so I'm very conscious of pension benefits, etc. Between my US Social Security from yrs working in US and PRSI/PAYE credits here, I'd be hoping for the contributory pension, etc.
What "entitlements" would I not be entitled to if not a citizen? Or what benefits would be excluded etc.
Why AM I going for citizenship if Stamp 5 is nearly equal?
(Besides the fact that this is my home and I have no plans to leave.)
Thanks for any pro's and con's. (Sorry if it's been discussed before. Can't find it in search.)
v
That's all the reason you need. It's called naturalization. The question is do you want it? The option is yours.v emmy wrote:
(............... "this is my home and I have no plans to leave")
Very well put.mktsoi wrote:Well, Stamp 5 and Irish citizenship I would say it is the same in all the tax and pension entitlement. Only big different is that you cannot work or live in another EU countries if you only holding Stamp 5, but Irish Citizenship would allow you to stay, live and work in any EU or EEA members state without time limit.
I know which passport I'd prefer to be travelling on..mktsoi wrote:Since you are an American, I guess you already know that Consular assistant for American citizenship traveling oversea is a lot better than Irish Citizen, right?
being unable to vote for the dail, eu and referendums. you are american so visas are not a problem any where in the eu (assuming the others don't ask) so, thats about it really, just don't get into a really cool gang pitty we have a really cool handsake and get to set up units of 12 and have secret meetings like the stone cutters (as in the simpsons and everyone loves usv emmy wrote:I am a U.S. citizen, living/working here continuously for same employer for just over 10 years. I have Stamp 5.
I applied for citizenship in November,2009. Got ref. no, no prob, so it's being processed.
But a friend who used to work at Migrant Rights Ireland asked me why was I applying for citizenship when I already have Stamp 5. He says I have all the "entitlements" of an Irish citizen already.
First off, I'd say I won't be able to vote in national elections, so that tells me I dont have all the entitlements.
What other disadvantages or restrictions would there be should I not continue with the citizenship application and save the €€ and hassle of the paperwork towards the end of the process?
I am 60 yrs old, so I'm very conscious of pension benefits, etc. Between my US Social Security from yrs working in US and PRSI/PAYE credits here, I'd be hoping for the contributory pension, etc.
What "entitlements" would I not be entitled to if not a citizen? Or what benefits would be excluded etc.
Why AM I going for citizenship if Stamp 5 is nearly equal?
(Besides the fact that this is my home and I have no plans to leave.)
Thanks for any pro's and con's. (Sorry if it's been discussed before. Can't find it in search.)
v
do americans need visas by other countries?doesnotcompute wrote:I don't really know what a STAMP 5 is, but I would point out that Irish citizenship (or an Irish passport to be pedantic) would entitle you to travel throughout the EU, should you wish to do so. Not sure if STAMP 5 would allow you to do so.
Some very good points. Being 60, I'm not really planning to have any more children. Mine are grown and living in US and have no interest in living in Ireland, so that one is moot for me.JAJ wrote:As a citizen:
- you can have the passport
- vote, etc.
- you don't lose your residence right if you spend time elsewhere
- if you get into trouble with the law, you can't be deported
- claiming welfare/benefits does not impact your status
- Easier to sponsor spouse for residence
- a child born outside Ireland/NI can be registered as an Irish citizen,
And so on.
Thanks, 9. Well, since I have the Stamp 5, I probably will keep it, so I can keep the stamp in my US passport as well.9jeirean wrote:How about you get both. Not sure if there is any restriction on getting both. At least it doesn't cost anything to get a stamp 5 at the moment. You never know when you'll need either of them.
Stamp 5 is Without Condition As To Time. As far as the Department of Social and Family Affairs is concerned, A person with Stamp 5 is a person with "residency granted" by the Department of Justice. Claims made by such persons are treated as if the person were an Irish citizen.v emmy wrote:The welfare/benefits issue is one that concerns me. If I were to get sick and unable to work before I turn 65, not being a citizen, it is my understanding that if I were no longer able to fully provide for myself, I would become "unwelcome." Is that a correct understanding?
if you going to claim social welfare with stamp 5, it doesnt make you unwelcome in the country. the purpose of stamp 5 is for people dont really want to apply for citizenship. for good example, i know a japanese person living in ireland that she had never applied for irish citizenship but just have a stamp 5. the reason for her not to apply for irish citizenship because japan does not allow dual citizenship and she does not want to give up her japanese passport. thats why they have stamp 5 and it just like US green card. i know some people just kept their us green card without apply for citizenship for the same reason. USA used to not allow dual citizenship but they just changed it. but bear in mind that if you cause serious trouble in ireland. stamp 5 person is deportable! so i hope you are not planning to cause trouble hehe!v emmy wrote:Thanks, 9. Well, since I have the Stamp 5, I probably will keep it, so I can keep the stamp in my US passport as well.9jeirean wrote:How about you get both. Not sure if there is any restriction on getting both. At least it doesn't cost anything to get a stamp 5 at the moment. You never know when you'll need either of them.
I was just very surprised when someone who was with MRCI asked why bother with the citizenship since Stamp 5 conferred basically the same benefits. I just need to verify the pertinent details.... and the rules are always changing, so that also makes me lean toward seeing it out with the naturalisation process.
Thank you very much,mktsoi and others who've commented. Apologies for not getting back here sooner.mktsoi wrote:
if you going to claim social welfare with stamp 5, it doesnt make you unwelcome in the country. the purpose of stamp 5 is for people dont really want to apply for citizenship. ...snipped...
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apply for citizenship but since you dont need to give up your us passport, why not, one more piece paper. it helps when you need it.
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talking about free stamp 5. i have been told by GNIB over the phone that stamp 5 is not free because if they gie u a stamp 5 on your passport. you sitll need to attend to GNIB office and apply for the GNIB card as soon as you recevie you passport? did you need to go to GNIB office to get an GNIB card with your stamp 5? that was only few months ago when i phoned in.
anyway, good luck with your citizenship application!
I agree, Ace, with "shouldn't do".... but does anyone around know that for certain? Or as close to certain as possible, given that each case is unique with its own constellation of paarticulars.Aceform wrote:That shouldn't do emmy, as I know few who got their citizenship approved even after claiming illness benefits. I know it may hinder your chances if you claim unemployment benefits.
Regarding the cost, it was 150 Euros (same as the fee you pay for GNIB card)