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Agreed. Unfortunately, there is no expansion on "related by blood, affinity or adoption to a person who is an Irish citizen". Still, applications are free.walrusgumble wrote:..this is at the discretion of the Minister. He might unfortunately argue that the irish association matter may have been intended for stronger irish connections than through naturalisation.
Sorry but I disagree. Apply now. It will take 3 years to get a decision anyway. If you are refused at that stage, you will be at the 5 year mark in the country and then you could apply again on the basis of being in the country for 5 years. Its hit or miss wether you will get it through Irish association but if you dont try you will never know.walrusgumble wrote:You would be better off waiting for the five years, just in case as this is at the discretion of the Minister. He might unfortunately argue that the irish association matter may have been intended for stronger irish connections than through naturalisation. Have a word with the immigration council on their view
if you apply now, you maybe refused! (but that is not a certainty, there is a chance of success) However, if you are refused, your option to to make a new application. THis will be treated by the department as a new application with a new 68 number, unless, the department say otherwise in their letter of refusal (ie they comment that you are now 60 months and you can now apply and we will treat it like an application received in *). This won't normally happen. A second application will mean an addition period of waiting. Only make an application when you are certain that you comply with requirements as you have to notify the department of previous applications in the form, thus causing possible hassle.jhbmike wrote:Sorry but I disagree. Apply now. It will take 3 years to get a decision anyway. If you are refused at that stage, you will be at the 5 year mark in the country and then you could apply again on the basis of being in the country for 5 years. Its hit or miss wether you will get it through Irish association but if you dont try you will never know.walrusgumble wrote:You would be better off waiting for the five years, just in case as this is at the discretion of the Minister. He might unfortunately argue that the irish association matter may have been intended for stronger irish connections than through naturalisation. Have a word with the immigration council on their view
Nowhere in the OP does he state that his parents were naturalised Irish citizens. He stated they were not Irish at the time of his birth. However this could mean that his parents were born in the US and were not registered with foreign births until after the OP birth. Once registered, they were able to obtain Irish citizenship. There can be no closer link to association than parent to child, and this seems to be the case. On that basis I say go ahead and apply however i do recommend that you wait at least 1 year whilst being resident in Ireland before applying so that the minister doesnt have to waive too many of the conditions and thus the only condition that he would be waiving is the 5 year condition.walrusgumble wrote:You would be better off waiting for the five years, just in case as this is at the discretion of the Minister. He might unfortunately argue that the irish association matter may have been intended for stronger irish connections than through naturalisation. Have a word with the immigration council on their view
Well pointed out actually, that is a very good observation, but lets wait for the OP to confirm that.jhbmike wrote:Nowhere in the OP does he state that his parents were naturalised Irish citizens. He stated they were not Irish at the time of his birth. However this could mean that his parents were born in the US and were not registered with foreign births until after the OP birth. Once registered, they were able to obtain Irish citizenship. There can be no closer link to association than parent to child, and this seems to be the case. On that basis I say go ahead and apply however i do recommend that you wait at least 1 year whilst being resident in Ireland before applying so that the minister doesnt have to waive too many of the conditions and thus the only condition that he would be waiving is the 5 year condition.walrusgumble wrote:You would be better off waiting for the five years, just in case as this is at the discretion of the Minister. He might unfortunately argue that the irish association matter may have been intended for stronger irish connections than through naturalisation. Have a word with the immigration council on their view
No, don't head to the Passport Office. Head to the Consular Section of the Department of Foreign Affairs in Dublin - they are responsible for processing FBR applications for people based in Ireland. Besides, isn't the Passport Office closed due to flooding at the moment?walrusgumble wrote:head to the passport office (ha good luck) with parents documents (and grandparents assuming it was obtained by descent)
Off-topic, but why is this the case. I thought that the FBR cycle could continue indefinitely. e.g. if person A claims Irish citizenship through FBR, then when he has a child outside Ireland, that child can still claim Irish citizenship through FBR and so on!If they claimed Irish citizenship through FBR, you would not be entitled to FBR (*assuming they claimed FBR after July 1986).
there would be no harm in mentioning it. but you should proove it with the documents such as birth certs. but don't expect anything from it!!!! the fact that you are married to an irish citizen and you comply with the other requirements is enough. normally, as seen in the link to dail debate on this issue, grandparent is as far as they normally consideresharknz wrote:Just a thought, if someone is applying to be naturalised based on being married to an irish citizen, but also had 4 Irish born great grandparents, would it be worth mentioning/documenting this in an application?
Just was wondering whether it would help at all, or whether its one of those great unknowns. I'm not due to apply for awhile yet, so would have plenty of time to document this if required.
Anybody have an answer for this??????????????strongbow wrote:Off-topic, but why is this the case. I thought that the FBR cycle could continue indefinitely. e.g. if person A claims Irish citizenship through FBR, then when he has a child outside Ireland, that child can still claim Irish citizenship through FBR and so on!If they claimed Irish citizenship through FBR, you would not be entitled to FBR (*assuming they claimed FBR after July 1986).
strongbow wrote:Off-topic, but why is this the case. I thought that the FBR cycle could continue indefinitely. e.g. if person A claims Irish citizenship through FBR, then when he has a child outside Ireland, that child can still claim Irish citizenship through FBR and so on!If they claimed Irish citizenship through FBR, you would not be entitled to FBR (*assuming they claimed FBR after July 1986).
Prior to 1st July 1986, anybody who became an Irish citizen via FBR was considered to be an Irish citizen from the day they were born. Thus anyone who became an Irish citizen prior to 1st July 1986 could register any existing children they had, on the basis that they were considered to be Irish citizens when their children were born.jhbmike wrote:Anybody have an answer for this??????????????strongbow wrote:Off-topic, but why is this the case. I thought that the FBR cycle could continue indefinitely. e.g. if person A claims Irish citizenship through FBR, then when he has a child outside Ireland, that child can still claim Irish citizenship through FBR and so on!If they claimed Irish citizenship through FBR, you would not be entitled to FBR (*assuming they claimed FBR after July 1986).