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Here are the statistics for 2003 and 2004, basis - let us know what conclusion you reach! They were both published in May of the following year, so if the pattern continues, it'll be a few months before the 2005 figures are available.basis wrote:Does anyone know how many Indians apply for British Citizenship every year ? What proportion compared to total number of applicants / approvals is that of Indians ?
considering India does not allow dual citizenship this number may be low. If not then why do so many Indians apply for BC ? Because most Indians want to go back eventually to India and ILR is sufficient till then.
ppron747 wrote: I think the question should really be "What proportion of Indians living in UK have applied for naturalisation, and how does that compare with applications from citizens of other countries?"
I suspect the answer to that question would be that it is on the low side, compared with applications from citizens of countries with less rigid objections to dual nationality. I'm aware of a number of cases where, with married couples, one spouse applied for British nationality, and the other spouse didn't, so that the family as a whole could keep a foot in each camp. I don't know how widespread this is, and I don't think it would be apparent from the published statistics.
Agreed ppron. You have spelt my question correctly. And the statistics seem useful.ppron747 wrote: I think the question should really be "What proportion of Indians living in UK have applied for naturalisation, and how does that compare with applications from citizens of other countries?"
I suspect the answer to that question would be that it is on the low side, compared with applications from citizens of countries with less rigid objections to dual nationality. I'm aware of a number of cases where, with married couples, one spouse applied for British nationality, and the other spouse didn't, so that the family as a whole could keep a foot in each camp. I don't know how widespread this is, and I don't think it would be apparent from the published statistics.
And the conclusions that the 2005 report has drawn are -12. Figure 7 shows the proportion of overseas born persons who are British citizens once they have been in the UK for six years or more - the earliest at which the majority of migrants would be granted British citizenship4. In addition, Table 8 shows this analysis for those who have been in the UK for between six and ten years, between eleven and twenty years, and twenty-one years or more.
In fact comparatively people from Indian sub-continent rank way high up in naturalisation even in % terms. in fact it leads in all categories - except more than 20 years (where Africa leads by 1 percentage point). And this is with such high volume.13. In 2004, 59 per cent of overseas-born people who had been in the UK for six years or more were British citizens. This rate varied with region of birth and increased with time spent in the UK prior to obtaining citizenship. These rates have remained largely unchanged since 2002.
14. People born in developed countries such as Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada and EU states were less likely to become British citizens than those born in developing countries in such regions as Africa, Asia and the Middle East.
16. Those born in Africa were more likely than others to become British citizens after residing in the UK for over 20 years (88 per cent compared with, for example, 87 per cent of Indian sub-continent-born people). However, they were more likely to wait before applying – only 32 per cent of African-born people who had been in the UK for between 6 and 10 years were British citizens compared with 40 per cent of Indian subcontinent-born people.
The practical reasons to naturalise include:shankarindian wrote:I have also been wondering exactly the same question that basis has raised - does it make practical sense these days (given how India is widely perceived as a growing economy with a bright future) for Indian citizens with ILR status in the UK to obtain BC via naturalisation if they are really keen on resuming their working life in India at a suitable date in the future? Working in India with BC and OCI card is fine as per rules but there may be bureaucratic problems while operating on the ground in India.
I fully appreciate that everyone's circumstance and needs are different and there is no solution that will fit everyone and at the end of the day, it is somebody's individual decision whether to naturalise or not.
Only on character grounds (ie if you commit crimes).But can the UK government remove somebody's ILR status when the person has been continuously in the UK?
No they won't.I have heard of radical work permit-related changes that are being planned but hopefully they will not affect people who have already obtained ILR a few years ago after several years on workpermit?
As far as I know, in the UK pension eligibility is not contingent on citizenship (it is in some other countries though).Does the company pension contributed during the working life in UK (which will get paid out when one reaches 65 or 60 or sometime around that age) has any bearing on nationality? I.e. will it not get paid if the person is not a BC at the time of reaching retirement age?
basis wrote: Because most Indians want to go back eventually to India and ILR is sufficient till then.
tekaweni - thanks but you hv posted the same links which ppron posted in the third post inthis thread. and the further analysis till now in this thread is based on the same links.tekaweni wrote:In reply to the original Q asked in this thread - I googled these two links which may interest to you.. and anyone who lives, eats and breathes statistics!
Seems to be a full breakdown of BC grants and refusals by country, age, etc.
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs04/hosb0704.pdf
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs05/hosb0805.pdf
Take care
mhunjn (how do u pronounce this ??) - Significant and minority ??? Anyways - if you look at my original post my question is 'Does anyone know how many Indians apply for British Citizenship every year ?'. So this question is not abt people who came here in 40 or 50. this is abt current applicants. Consdering over 85% people who have stayed in the UK for 20 or more yrs are naturalised....I am referring to new aplicants - obviously most of them are who have completed somewhere between 5 to 10 years. Very rarely people wait for more than that to apply for naturalisation in the UK. And obviously I am referring to the professionals - non-professionals in india will not get anywhere near the life standard that they get in developed countries.mhunjn wrote:You are talking of a significant minority of people, who have had professional education and moved abroad (from India) relatively recently (10 yrs?) for better jobs or for jobs which at that point of time did not exist in India. Sure enough, with all the developments etc, they would want to move back... but then again, a some of them will probably move back abroad when they realise they don't have the benefits etc that they have got used to.
A big majority of people abroad, especially from Northern India migrated in the 40s, 50s. I can't see why they or their next generation would want to move back?... considering their entire social/family life is here.
basis wrote:Anyways - if you look at my original post my question is 'Does anyone know how many Indians apply for British Citizenship every year ?'. So this question is not abt people who came here in 40 or 50. this is abt current applicants.
simar wrote:Hi Guys,
Through it is just 6 months ago i came to uk on hsmp. I have good job and now settled. But I guess, I am thinking the same way to move back to India after few years. An Indian couple living close to my house are now moving back to india after living 4 years in UK. In June they are schedule to get ILR status. Actually the chap have good job offer of 18 lakhs per annum in Trivandrum.
Long time to go for the PR and then BC. At the pace the world is moving I cant even imagine the situation 4-5 years from now. Anyways good luck. OCI and BC can certinly be helpd together..........I dont know what gives u the impression that they cant be.simar wrote:Even I am thinking to move back, but as of now i am not sure of BC & OIC card can be hold at same time. Still early days for me but will keenly see these discussion.
basis wrote:GDP projection:
http://www.indiaeducation.info/Bizschool/overview.asp
Just to let some of the Indian origins who have lost touch with post 1999 India some economic facts -
India is on its way to become a developed country within a decade. The economy will grow at 8 to 10% rate for next 3 to 5 years (no other major economy is growing even half of that pace.....UK is merely 2 %). Stock market Index SENSEX has gone from 6000 to 10700 within 2 years.
Indian stock market is still trading about 16 PE compared to 22 PE for U.S Dow Jone. so there is still good scope for the Indian stock mkt to move much high.
Globalization and open market system have enabled India to levreage upon its large English speaking vibrant and young population. India is going to be global leader for service sector as China is for manufacturing.
On Purchasing basis, we were not even a trillion dollar economy about a decade ago - this year, our great 1.2 billion Inidans will purchase more than 6 trillion dollars worth of goods and services. Our economy has grown 5 times.
Some external links to prove the facts
India v China
http://www.ibef.org/india/indiachina.aspx
Indian Economy in 1999:
http://www.photius.com/wfb2000/countrie ... onomy.html
GDP (PPP) - 3.6 trillion dollars in 2005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... _%28PPP%29
India to be 3rd largest economy in the world in 2006 (over 4 trillion dollars in 2006):
http://in.rediff.com/money/2006/jan/25india1.htm