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Sorry, those statistics are not for you to misuse or make allegations based on your prejudices. Please refrain from making any allegations unless you have a clear idea.IntheQ wrote:Let me guess He is from Pakistan
May be your case was genuine BUT its not the Law that's wrong instead its the people who misuse it. Or should I say track record of people from certain countries put there their fellow countrymen under the scanner.
Facts from DoJ can't be wrong, can they ?
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=56635
No matter what the statistics say, the GNIB should be doing their job and interviewing all couples who they suspect of sham marriages. They should be open-minded and not prejudice. They have to remain objective at all times, and they don't.IntheQ wrote:Let me guess He is from Pakistan
May be your case was genuine BUT its not the Law that's wrong instead its the people who misuse it. Or should I say track record of people from certain countries put there their fellow countrymen under the scanner.
Facts from DoJ can't be wrong, can they ?
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=56635
Good ol' funny Irish system, init.? Doing something illegal in the hope of stemming what they perceived was illegal. "It's too much hazels to put in place an efficient system, we'll just ban all them foreigners". Why won't they? Thousands of Irish citizen are denied their EU rights on a daily basis and the government have largely gone away with it. Now they want to spread it over to other EU citizens.kabuki wrote:No matter what the statistics say, the GNIB should be doing their job and interviewing all couples who they suspect of sham marriages. They should be open-minded and not prejudice. They have to remain objective at all times, and they don't.IntheQ wrote:Let me guess He is from Pakistan
May be your case was genuine BUT its not the Law that's wrong instead its the people who misuse it. Or should I say track record of people from certain countries put there their fellow countrymen under the scanner.
Facts from DoJ can't be wrong, can they ?
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=56635
i think it is a typical irish way to do things. they know what the problem is, but they would tends to let it drag on for long time and hope the problem will go away by itself. i know it is really bad about that and i am not saying it is fair for people that really trying to go thr normal channel in the system itself. for the past 10 years, i would say the irish government putting in more restrictions than trying to put in a better immigration systems. Michael MacDowell certain put in most of it. Now Mr Ahern is in charge and he has no intentions to change any of it unless he really has to. Irishgal, if i were you, try not to beat the system because it is very hard, but i wish you luck thokabuki wrote:No matter what the statistics say, the GNIB should be doing their job and interviewing all couples who they suspect of sham marriages. They should be open-minded and not prejudice. They have to remain objective at all times, and they don't.IntheQ wrote:Let me guess He is from Pakistan
May be your case was genuine BUT its not the Law that's wrong instead its the people who misuse it. Or should I say track record of people from certain countries put there their fellow countrymen under the scanner.
Facts from DoJ can't be wrong, can they ?
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=56635
"THousands of Irish citizens are denied their EU rights on a daily basis" What? Which "EU rights" are you referring to?9jeirean wrote:Good ol' funny Irish system, init.? Doing something illegal in the hope of stemming what they perceived was illegal. "It's too much hazels to put in place an efficient system, we'll just ban all them foreigners". Why won't they? Thousands of Irish citizen are denied their EU rights on a daily basis and the government have largely gone away with it. Now they want to spread it over to other EU citizens.kabuki wrote:No matter what the statistics say, the GNIB should be doing their job and interviewing all couples who they suspect of sham marriages. They should be open-minded and not prejudice. They have to remain objective at all times, and they don't.IntheQ wrote:Let me guess He is from Pakistan
May be your case was genuine BUT its not the Law that's wrong instead its the people who misuse it. Or should I say track record of people from certain countries put there their fellow countrymen under the scanner.
Facts from DoJ can't be wrong, can they ?
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=56635
Time to stick it up to the eejits.
Now, now, don't tell me this is new to you.walrusgumble wrote: "THousands of Irish citizens are denied their EU rights on a daily basis" What? Which "EU rights" are you referring to?
The Irish Administration decided as it is a domestic internal matter to grant equal EU rights.......(Fater Ted music playing in the background..)Ben wrote:EC law does not require them to.acme4242 wrote:The Irish Administration decided to discriminate against Irish Citizens and not grant equal EU rights to Irish Citizens and their family.
Neither does the EU require them not to. The question is why would an Irish citizen have more legal right in another EU country but not on their own soil and more importantly why has the Irish government not grown the 'balls' to make this explicit in law? It akin to plucking off your eyeball so as not to have a stain in it. Twisted logic mate.Ben wrote:EC law does not require them to.acme4242 wrote:The Irish Administration decided to discriminate against Irish Citizens and not grant equal EU rights to Irish Citizens and their family.
Does Surinder Singh apply in Ireland?kabuki wrote:This is a case of Irish Policy. The Irish are never really quick to fix it, just plug it up and worse ways until it bursts again. However, EU law is definitely easier than national law in many of the EU countries. This is why many are happy to take advantage of the Surinder Singh rule.
There are things in the current Irish system that are most definitely unfair, but there will be a difference between national law and EU law for some time to come. As for some regulations other countries have in place in National Law that differs from EU law, I find those differences to be good ones, but EU law could also make some adjustments in order to prevent misuse of the laws that exist.
sweet mother of jesus! the concept of freedom of movement refers to when a person from one eu state exercises (either by working, providing a service, residing with funds etc, studing) their rights as contained in the treaty (in relation to freemovement) and the EU legislation (legislation pre the 2004 directive and the 2004 directive itself) in another EU state. In examples you have given, the national has not even left the 26 counties or has working/economic links to another EU State as seen in Carpenter v UK. THerefore, they don't fall within the scope of what the EU says about free movement and family reunification.acme4242 wrote:Now, now, don't tell me this is new to you.walrusgumble wrote: "THousands of Irish citizens are denied their EU rights on a daily basis" What? Which "EU rights" are you referring to?
The Irish Administration decided to discriminate against Irish Citizens and not grant equal EU rights to Irish Citizens and their family.
what rights are we talking about , how about these for starters...
rights to travel, rights to family reunification, and the right not to be discriminated against.
more reading on this topic
http://irelandsreversediscrimination.wordpress.com/
ECJ Case C-370/90.9jeirean wrote:Can you provide link please? Many thanksBen wrote:Yes.9jeirean wrote:Does Surinder Singh apply in Ireland?
Thanks Ben. it would be interesting to see how a Surinder Singh application fits in with this Stamp 4 to Stamp 3 shenanigans.Ben wrote:ECJ Case C-370/90.9jeirean wrote:Can you provide link please? Many thanksBen wrote:Yes.9jeirean wrote:Does Surinder Singh apply in Ireland?
I would assume that, if Singh provisions apply, the family member of an Irish citizen is treated equally to the family member of a Union citizen.9jeirean wrote:Thanks Ben. it would be interesting to see how a Surinder Singh application fits in with this Stamp 4 to Stamp 3 shenanigans.
It would also put one Irish citizen in less favorable position than the other wouldn't it? Even when they both have non EU spouses. Too many geniuses work for INIS I tell youBen wrote:I would assume that, if Singh provisions apply, the family member of an Irish citizen is treated equally to the family member of a Union citizen.9jeirean wrote:Thanks Ben. it would be interesting to see how a Surinder Singh application fits in with this Stamp 4 to Stamp 3 shenanigans.
Although I see what you mean. The spouse of an Irish citizen normally receives Stamp 4 immediately, by presenting themselves (together), to their local GNIB office, with their passports and marriage cert.
If the 1st June change goes ahead, it puts the spouse of a Union citizen in a less favourable position than the spouse of an Irish citizen. This contravenes § 24 of the Directive.
In another post about this, someone stated that it should be handled by the Irish Courts without ever going to the EU court. If that doesn't happen, Ireland is really shooting themselves in the foot.IrishTom wrote:If this goes to the european courts and Ireland loses, is the state looking at a hefty fine?