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It does, tt - I didn't say so earlier because I didn't want to ruin maxima's day.tt wrote:maxima. If you're feeling angry, then http://www.spy.org.uk/spyblog/2005/12/i ... tiona.html this is a good read. I came across it by accident, and I'm not sure it's my cup of tea, but it might be yours. Perhaps the power of the Secretary of State extends to ALL British citizens equally?
And if a future government was ever minded to use such power "irrationally" then you might not want to be a citizen anyway. The case of Zimbabwe is one that comes to mind.ppron747 wrote: The government has undertaken to use the power extremely sparingly, in cases of the most serious nature, and the courts are there to keep a check on irrational use of such power.
I think there is a potential to use this to discriminate under a different political climate with a strong anti-immigration agenda simply because most native born citizens would clearly not be caught in this.Most people will not even think for a minute that statement is discriminatory. Most will agree that it is there to actually enforce protection to all of us, and as our friend Paul has mentioned, there is proper channels to ensure this is not applied innapropriately.
Good one. Summarises the entire discussion.Rogerio wrote:Seems to me that many people are looking for reasons to say that they can be subjected to discrimination. I guess this is the price that we all pay for living in a society that has taken political correctness to, in my view, a ridiculous extreme.
We are merely debating if this stipulation is necessary that's all. i think you are overreacting a wee bit. No one is suggesting that we are all victims but the fact is the history of some western countries suggests that such requirements can be twisted. I refer you to the 'White Australia" policy, the polcies in Nazi Germany etc. I don't think there is any harm in speculating about whether certain areas of immigration policy can be abused in another political climate that perhaps looks unlikely at the moment.Rogerio wrote:With all due respect, we all (who will naturalise, or have naturalised) have (had) the option not to. Very simple. No one is forcing that legislation down anyone's throats. Besides, one could live here very well on ILR, as we all know only too well.
I do not see anything wrong with the new legislation, and as said before a million times, if this is the only citizenship you hold, it cannot be taken back from you.
Seems to me that many people are looking for reasons to say that they can be subjected to discrimination. I guess this is the price that we all pay for living in a society that has taken political correctness to, in my view, a ridiculous extreme.
If you see someone being beaten by yobsters or being raped in a bush. You Rogerio can choose to dont look at. I choose to call the police and get involved.Rogerio wrote:we all ... have (had) the option not to.
Please.Rogerio wrote:My very humble opinion, and I shall say no more.
Thank you. I've found the answer on my question:
This is my discussion. And as author I can say that here wasnt a bit about politcorrectness.basis wrote:Good one. Summarises the entire discussion.
Isn't it a core point of that legislation to bypass the courts and put this power in the hands of the Home Secretary? I don't know about political correctness but it's certainly a quest for political power gone mad. Who is 100% sure a politician will always exercise common sense in the use of this power?and the courts are there to keep a check on irrational use of such power
All decisions of this nature would be open to challenge in the courts. We see it happening all the timeOL7MAX wrote:Since there is an invitation for flames to continue...
Isn't it a core point of that legislation to bypass the courts and put this power in the hands of the Home Secretary? I don't know about political correctness but it's certainly a quest for political power gone mad. Who is 100% sure a politician will always exercise common sense in the use of this power?and the courts are there to keep a check on irrational use of such power
What do u mean by 'my discussion' and 'open new thread for that'. Never did I witness such language on this MB. I thought no poster owns any thread and in case of issues / complaints about any post one can go to moderators who are doing an excellent job here. Moderators can decide to delete, bar any user or stop multi posts or require for mulit posts. Lets not take Board Rules in our hands......maxima wrote:This is my discussion. And as author I can say that here wasnt a bit about politcorrectness.basis wrote:Good one. Summarises the entire discussion.
It is totally separate issue of global value. And I have no intention to discuss it. Please open new thread for that. And thank god you are not in US (there politcorrectness is at ridiculous level)
Once your British Citizenship is withdrawn you can't sue the government easily. And you're unlikely to get Legal Aid if you don't have your own funds. There are other complications eg you might even have to leave the UK.All decisions of this nature would be open to challenge in the courts