There is a big difference...
abcd1 wrote:On my backpage of work permit, it is clearly written that one can apply for settlement after 48 months. Now they denounce that. Goverment still don't become corrupt!
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While I totally symphathize with you and everyone affected...lets not take the discussion to an end where we start saying suddenly that UK is worse than other countries. Believe me if you want to be settled any here in the UK - one more year does for ILR does not make difference. I personally did not feel better, secured or anything by getting ILR / Naturalisation. What matters in this global village today is your skills and knowledge. Rest follow their suit. So remain focussed and keep faith. dont let such things hinder your determination to settle here successfully.AC77 wrote:I am now really questioning my decision to come to this country. I think this rule is really going to back fire on them in terms of attracting highly skilled migrants when many other countries (US, canada, australia) are vying for them.
How can this organisation help us eventually?SidB wrote:All,Eugene_UK wrote:We should ask JCWI to act on our behalf and take this case to the court against HO. I did not find anything on their web-site yet condemning new changes. I think this is clear breach of British law and we should not tolerate it. What if they decide tomorrow to change from 5 to 15 years?!
http://www.jcwi.org.uk/index.html
Eugene has provided a good starting point. The forum looks like a promising place to raise our concerns in addition to what we're doing to raise it with the local MPs.
There is an e-mail address provided on the site (info@jcwi.org.uk). We should all drop them a note to relay our concerns and ask them if they can help. We can even offer to pool in some resources to support them to take our concerns forward.
What do you all say?
Sid
Smit wrote:Kavik,
Before you start panicking, remember all is not lost if you can't get an appointment at a PEO with your tight timelines.
You can always post your application say in the next week and you will be fine as long as the application reaches IND before 3rd April 2006 and is considered by them after the 3 years 11 months period.
My advice to you would be to post the application rather than running around to PEO's in panic mode.
Smit
For the benefit of those who are interested.basis wrote:There are several forums with people wailing and ranting against USCIS for GC delays. check it out if you like ( http://www.rupnet.net/immigration/p...ply.asp?id=6650 )
I don't fully understand your points and you're obviously full of rage at some perceived injustice but let me just re-iterate a fe basic things:tutu1005 wrote:
Thank you for your “kind reminder” that we are only temporarily allowed to work and stay here. We never denied that we do not agree with it. However the fact is, if there is no promise in the immigration rule of the UK to say that after 4 years WP/HSMP you could apply ILR, I believe most of us probably will never come to this country (high living cost and low salary comparing with US and some other country) or have left this country for a long time. There is a difference between betray the promise and tell the world – hi, come here but there is no guarantee that you will get PR after whatever the years (Like US does and also US is the NO1 economic country but UK is, well probably 6th?). One is cheating and another one is trade- you like it, you come otherwise do not come.
We do not mind 4 to 5, but we do mind cheating. If the rule is to apply, it has to make sure that the people who have been promised should not be affected. Otherwise, it is cheating. Some of us have spent nearly 8 year here (high education + WP). We could spend our 4/8 years well somewhere else. Like Canada- normal process before entry with PR is 18months and after that applicants need to stay in Canada for 3 years for nationality, max. 4.5 for nationality. Like Australia- normal process before entry with PR is 8-18 months, (one of my friends only used 7 months) after that applicants need to stay in Australia for 2 years for nationality, totally max. 3.5 year for nationality. As I have just said, US told us that we might not get anything after Hb1, so I did not choose to go there.
We do appreciate the UK is willing to provide opportunity for us to work here but we do insist 1, we are not asylum seeker, we could choose other countries if this country is not suitable for us. 2, we come here with trust, with believe that after 4 years hard work we will get what the UK has promised. 3, the UK needs us as well. As I said before, NHS is begging for clinical professional from all over the world, the unbalance of UK labour market is begging all other professionals, we are needed here. If we all leave today, I am sure you will change your idea instantly.
Do not expect us will knee and kiss the feet just because “UK IS IMMIGRANT FRIENDLY COUNTRY WHO ALLOWS YOU TO STAY HER TEMPORARILY”. Some of us has spend their 3 years in university, 1 year in Master and nearly 4 years in the work and now those who has done so will get their ILR as some people just lived here for 10 years. How unfair!! Why should we after contributing our tuition fees here (4 years, if overseas probably about £40,000) and paying our tax and NI here but get the exact the same thing as some people just lived here for 10 years??
Not to mention the direct or indirect unfair treatment we have received, we would say that it is rubbish to say that the UK is LEGAL Immigrants friendly now!!!
At least, I am doing my immigration to Canada now. I will not need to lower my head to appreciate your kindness in the near future and will still contribute but to the country who recognise me and appreciate me as I appreciate her.
At least they stick to their words and set UNAMBIGIOUS rules.lemess wrote:tutu1005 wrote: - Good luck on your application for Canada. I believe it takes 3-4 years for a decision to be made and it also involves you getting police records from all countries you have ever lived in. And the process seems to be getting progressively slower. Compare that to the straightforward UK procedure.
So you would rather hurt yourself but protest against the UK administrators......dude its not time to be emotional...who knows Canada can also change it overnight while you are there.....Is there a gurantee....Things like immigration are policy matters of a govt and they can change it to accommodate global changes and protect the national interest as they perceive it. There is strong political bias too....Chris wrote:lemess wrote:At least they stick to their words and set UNAMBIGIOUS rules.tutu1005 wrote: - Good luck on your application for Canada. I believe it takes 3-4 years for a decision to be made and it also involves you getting police records from all countries you have ever lived in. And the process seems to be getting progressively slower. Compare that to the straightforward UK procedure.
abcd1 wrote:Does anyone know why this news was not flashed anywhere? Had I not viewed this forum, I wouldn't have known it. I think still many prospective ILR applicants are unware of this sudden change.
There is nothing ambiguous about the rules in the UK. All that has happened is that they have been changed to become more aligned to those in the rest of Europe. The change was also widely expected and discussed before being implemented.Chris wrote:lemess wrote:At least they stick to their words and set UNAMBIGIOUS rules.tutu1005 wrote: - Good luck on your application for Canada. I believe it takes 3-4 years for a decision to be made and it also involves you getting police records from all countries you have ever lived in. And the process seems to be getting progressively slower. Compare that to the straightforward UK procedure.
Kavik wrote:Yes, I don't why it didn't come in any news papers? I'm sure many people might not aware of this.
abcd1 wrote:Does anyone know why this news was not flashed anywhere? Had I not viewed this forum, I wouldn't have known it. I think still many prospective ILR applicants are unware of this sudden change.
lemess wrote:Chris wrote:There is nothing ambiguous about the rules in the UK. All that has happened is that they have been changed to become more aligned to those in the rest of Europe. The change was also widely expected and discussed before being implemented.lemess wrote:At least they stick to their words and set UNAMBIGIOUS rules.tutu1005 wrote: - Good luck on your application for Canada. I believe it takes 3-4 years for a decision to be made and it also involves you getting police records from all countries you have ever lived in. And the process seems to be getting progressively slower. Compare that to the straightforward UK procedure.
There is no guarantee that Canada will not change its rules at some points either. Immigration rules are predominantly made on the basis of the perceived interests of the country and its citizens and not based on the interests of the immigrant. This is true for every country.
You just have to deal with that hard fact.
What does "leave someone alone" on a public bulletin board mean ?raina wrote:Lemess and Tutu- In all fairness I think you should just leave the posters alone as they are upset for a reason.
Its no point arguing for the sake of arguing.
There are so many ppl who are reading this forum for a serious reason and for some serious information (like myself as I am affected by this change)
I understand that. I accept that this a blow to people who were affected by the cutoff date but this was always a possibility and in my view waiting an additional 12 months for ILR is not an "outrage" as is being suggested by some. Whilst an inconvenience, by international standards the UK still has reasonably friendly immigration paths to settlement. I was just responding to people dissing the country based on this change of law.No one so far has been talking so strongly against the 5 year rules.
Its the retrospective effect which has outraged the immigrants.
I quite liked your idea, lets get to some real action. What are the way we could adopt to fight against this.Eugene_UK wrote:I completely agree with those who think that we have to stop complaining and crying here...let`s do something real.
As we pointed earlier let`s contact as many sources as possible.
I think good idea would be to orginize some PR-action which will draw the attention of the media - why don`t we get together one day by the House of Parlament and protest against this decision? It should be done as soon as possible as it feels that HO want to get away with this, I don`t think anything else will help but protest will attract a lot of attention. We have a choice: to accept this decision and wait for another year or another surprise or to try to do whatever is humanly possible to amend the paragraphs about those who already on WP. Please spread the message as far and as wide as possible. Nobody will punish you for this. We are legal here, we are paying taxes, we are not claiming benefits. This country should also offer something to us in return.