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Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by jefferysavio » Fri Jul 16, 2010 4:49 pm

Hi Guys,

I am an MBA working in Gurgaon in a market research position with a total experience of 3+ yrs. I am presently looking for options in London in a similar role.

Looking at the posts that some people have written here, I am being forced to think twice. Is the job market really that bad? Does EVERY Indian HAS to work in a supermart/mall/McDonalds for 3-6 months before striking a decent job? If thats the case, I will totally back out my thoughts of coming over...

Please suggest.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!
Jeff

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Re: Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by aruni4470 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:07 pm

jefferysavio wrote:Hi Guys,

I am an MBA working in Gurgaon in a market research position with a total experience of 3+ yrs. I am presently looking for options in London in a similar role.

Looking at the posts that some people have written here, I am being forced to think twice. Is the job market really that bad? Does EVERY Indian HAS to work in a supermart/mall/McDonalds for 3-6 months before striking a decent job? If thats the case, I will totally back out my thoughts of coming over...

Please suggest.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!
Jeff
Not all Indians have to work in a supermarket (If you can afford to pay bills without working) and what is wrong in working in a supermarket to survive till you find a job.

It totally depends on your luck. There are people who got jobs in a couple of weeks and there are people who could not find a job even after 6 months. So, it all depends on your luck and talent!!!

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Re: Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by gd_Shepherd » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:26 pm

jefferysavio wrote:Hi Guys,

Does EVERY Indian HAS to work in a supermart/mall/McDonalds for 3-6 months before striking a decent job?
Substitute Indian with jobseeker. Most of the time it is done due to vagaries in the job market and one may not get call or responses as initially anticipated.
jefferysavio wrote:
If thats the case, I will totally back out my thoughts of coming over...
You seems to giving up before trying. I would suggest to give a good try before quitting as you will not regret later for not trying.

As Sir Winston Churchill once said Battles can be lost but the war must be won

Shepherd

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Re: Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by jefferysavio » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:28 pm

Thanks Aruni.

I am not saying its wrong working in a supermart and nor rating it as menial. But since I have been looking on UK job portals and finding jobs that do look good and seem suitable to start-off, I am wondering about the comments posted here about scarcity of jobs and people initially working in small odd-jobs to meet bills...

Or is it the case that all/most Indians are not treated the same as British or other European candidates for jobs, qualifications and experience regardless? If thats the case, then I agree that it surely does seem like a hard case to find a suitable job in London.

But if the above is not the case then, well, why do people settle for supermart type jobs even to start with. Why cant we start with, say, an entry level but desk job...

I do agree here that it totally depends upon ones talent and somewhat luck. But having said that, I believe that there are numerous intelligent and well qualified people coming over to London every year form India. But still there are more hardship stories to tell than successful ones...

Plz share some more of your thoughts on this...

Thanks again for sharing.

Jeff




[quote="aruni4470"][quote="jefferysavio"]Hi Guys,

I am an MBA working in Gurgaon in a market research position with a total experience of 3+ yrs. I am presently looking for options in London in a similar role.

Looking at the posts that some people have written here, I am being forced to think twice. Is the job market really that bad? Does EVERY Indian HAS to work in a supermart/mall/McDonalds for 3-6 months before striking a decent job? If thats the case, I will totally back out my thoughts of coming over...

Please suggest.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!
Jeff[/quote]

Not all Indians have to work in a supermarket (If you can afford to pay bills without working) and what is wrong in working in a supermarket to survive till you find a job.

It totally depends on your luck. There are people who got jobs in a couple of weeks and there are people who could not find a job even after 6 months. So, it all depends on your luck and talent!!![/quote]

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Post by aruni4470 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:37 pm

But if the above is not the case then, well, why do people settle for supermart type jobs even to start with. Why cant we start with, say, an entry level but desk job...
Most of the people choose to work in 'supermarkets type' jobs because they fit around your needs. You can work there part time for time being and at the same time look for regular job and work on improving your skills. If you start doing an entry level desk job (most of them are full time), you might not have time to improve your skills or even attend interviews.

There is also fact that these supermarket type jobs are more in number.
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Post by jefferysavio » Fri Jul 16, 2010 5:37 pm

Hi GD Shepherd,

Thanks for the encouragement!

Am not quitting but just getting second thoughts after seeing so many sad posts from few members here..

I am totally keen and interested in coming over and working in London. I simply love the place. But listening to all the hue and cry about job market being slow, I am just thinking if I should at all leave my plum job here, only to go there and work as a stores assistant ([i]again, plz dont consider this in a menial/degrading manner[/i])

I would really like to explore if I can atleast start off with a normal, not even very high profile, but office job rather than working merely to meet bills...

Thanks again,

Jeff

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Re: Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by manojk005 » Fri Jul 16, 2010 6:42 pm

I think you are better off in India.

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Post by gd_Shepherd » Sat Jul 17, 2010 10:10 am

jefferysavio wrote:
Am not quitting but just getting second thoughts after seeing so many sad posts from few members here..
Forums are places to hear different opinion. But you are the one to sum it up and take a decision. Please do not base your decisions on the advice(s), it gives a wrong impression that you are not in control of the decisions you take. Quoting from my favorite rubbish "The Matrix" (interpreting from a philosophical angle)

Source: http://thematrixtruth.remoteviewingligh ... rix-6.html

Oracle: You're going to have to make a choice. In the one hand you'll have Morpheus' life and in the other hand you'll have your own. One of you is going to die. Which one will be up to you. I'm sorry, kiddo, I really am. You have a good soul, and I hate giving good people bad news. Oh, don't worry about it. As soon as you step outside that door, you'll start feeling better. You'll remember you don't believe in any of this fate crap. You're in control of your own life, remember? Here, take a cookie. I promise, by the time you're done eating it, you'll feel right as rain.
jefferysavio wrote:
I would really like to explore if I can atleast start off with a normal, not even very high profile, but office job rather than working merely to meet bills...

Thanks again,

Jeff
That's the spirit. Keep it up

All the best

Shepherd

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Re: Market researcher willing for UK jobs but clueless

Post by aspirant99 » Sat Jul 17, 2010 1:40 pm

jefferysavio wrote:Hi Guys,

I am an MBA working in Gurgaon in a market research position with a total experience of 3+ yrs. I am presently looking for options in London in a similar role.

Looking at the posts that some people have written here, I am being forced to think twice. Is the job market really that bad? Does EVERY Indian HAS to work in a supermart/mall/McDonalds for 3-6 months before striking a decent job? If thats the case, I will totally back out my thoughts of coming over...

Please suggest.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers!
Jeff
People on this forum are just posting their opinions..it can be specific or it can be common to a greater audience, however it is very unlikely to be a generic situation, so i would suggest .. weigh your risks and if you think the risk on failure can be managed then go for it...coz there is only one way to find out whether you fail or succeed..by actually trying to do the thing..good luck!!

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Post by kenfrapin » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:48 pm

Jeffery Savio,

All posts have addressed the current situation aptly and I guess you are not realizing a few hard truths

1. First and foremost, the UK is not what you only hear about on the TV and read in books. There is a lot more that is not seen or known but still quite nice or quite bad depending on what those are - London is a city where everyone wants to get their big break. If you have a job for £40k, the lower side, its certain you may not work long hours and its a standard job role. If you have a job for £80k, there are long work hours, bigger commitments and goals and very little time for personal life. Couple that with office politics, stiff competition and back stabbing, a person getting paid £100k surely goes through hell to earn that amount. This is very similar to all big metros
2. Yes, there are a million adverts on job portals. What you are not factoring in is that there are so many MBA students graduating from good UK colleges who also look at the same jobs on the same portals. So, for a nice plush £70k job, that matches your profile, there are atleast 50 other MBA profiles in London itself looking at the same job and hoping they get it
3. From above, competition is tough and in most posts from sensible forum members you will see this being repeated over and over again. There are always great jobs here for a good candidate. As one poster so rightly said, you can land a job within 1 week or end up waiting 6 months for your right job - it all depends on you and how good you are
4. If you get fed up waiting and run out of money, then you have to work to be able to pay off monthly bills and buy your food so picking a part time job either in retail or services is not uncommon nor is it bad :D
5. Many people prefer to keep trying to get a good job for £60k - I am talking of an MBA candidate trying in London now - rather than settling for a £40k job without any challenge. So the competition for the plush or well paid jobs is always a lot more
6. Even if you want to start off with a simple office role there is competition. But with your MBA and exp you stand a better chance in securing that offer. Keep in mind that just like you, there are many more people here who have experience but made redundant and dont mind taking up any job just so to earn some money to keep things going.

Finally a very important point which I keep stressing - Why do you want to come to London?
1. If you plan to settle down in UK and live here for the next 10-15 years, then you can start off in any job and as you gain experience and build contacts, you can move to much better roles
2. If you are just coming to make quick bucks then think twice. 3 years exp with an MBA degree may not help you land the best of jobs because there are fresh grads from the top 10 UK colleges who may have the upper hand and steal the job you want. Senior level MBA jobs are given to people with solid work exp of 10+ years

Given the current economic situation, the huge influx of skilled workers from Europe and Asia, a smaller job market compared to the one pre-2008, it does not make sense to leave a good and well paying job in India and come here. Again, in your specific case, 3yrs exp may be less for a senior MBA role.

In the end, it is all upto you how you shape your success in London. If you have the skills and are determined you will succeed, there is no doubt about that. But you need to have the patience and the grit to put up with all the hurdles and dont give up half way through.

All the best to you - and if you want to give London a try, you have to come over and experience it - no amount of information is ever enough. Things are definitely difficult but there are people who still get really good jobs everyday!!!

KP

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Post by kenfrapin » Sat Jul 17, 2010 3:52 pm

Also check my detailed view on the current job market in this thread - this may give you an idea of things in the UK

http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... ht=#381832

Cheers
KP

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Post by wunder » Mon Jul 19, 2010 1:05 pm

kenfrapin wrote:Yes, there are a million adverts on job portals. What you are not factoring in is that there are so many MBA students graduating from good UK colleges who also look at the same jobs on the same portals. So, for a nice plush £70k job, that matches your profile, there are atleast 50 other MBA profiles in London itself looking at the same job and hoping they get it
Another thing to remember is that most of those job listings are fake - posted by recruitment agencies to get your details and phish some useful information from you.

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Post by jefferysavio » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:13 pm

Firstly, Thanks so much to everyone who has shared their thoughts on this post. Plz continue doing so as I am famished for more info and varied information will help me look at things in a wide manner.

Special Thanks to KP for posting such a detailed guide explaining the scenario and pros & cons. This is really helpful.

However, I would like to take this discussion further. Taking a cue from KP's points, [quote]Many people prefer to keep trying to get a good job for £60k - I am talking of an MBA candidate trying in London now - rather than settling for a £40k job without any challenge. [/quote] does a 40k job helps one get started with his life and is it enough to sustain in London?

Secondly, I think I swayed away from the main point why I started this discussion. I would like to know, thats if someone [i]Does[/i] have any info about this, that how are the job opportunities in the Market research domain in London or neighbouring areas. Why I am mentioning 'neighbouring areas' is that I would not mind putting up at a bit far away place from London if that means the living cost would decline substantially. I have seen few nice places around London like leeds, bournes but am not sure if these are feasible enough for one to stay while working. So if anyone has any thoughts on this, plz come ahead.

Finally, Can anyone give me an approximate idea about what is an approximate average monthly expenditure for a single/couple without kids including renting, food, travel and phone. I am trying to deduce at a figure which can help me decide the salary level that I should be aiming at. So some help in this regard will be appreciated too.

Thanks again in advance guys.

p.s. my discussion title shows a symbol 'moved' against it..can someone tell me what it means..is this discussion getting redundant already? :(

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Post by kenfrapin » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:29 pm

JefferySavio,

There are many many posts around average monthly expenses so try going through them to get an approx idea.
Many people live in towns around London as you can save a substantial amount on house rents. For example, a single BR tiny flat in Ealing Broadway costs £900 whereas the same flat, tiny of course, in Slough which is 20mins away by a fast train costs £625. Rent is the main differentiator and most other costs remain standard and depends on an individual only.

Regarding £40k salary, of course it is sustainable and if you live out of London, say 30mins by train to your work place by train/car etc, then £40k is a pretty decent salary to start off with. There are many who even work on £28k and 'survive' in London :)

All the best
KP

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Post by jefferysavio » Mon Jul 19, 2010 3:39 pm

Thanks again KP for replying.

I see now that a somewhat ideal range of salary that I should aim at is between 30-40k. Right?

BTW, Do you have an idea about which area of work/industry is on the rise at present, eg. IT, Banking, Marketing or any other. Also, what sort of skills, qualifications are in demand these days or in general across industries.

I am again not aiming for the highest paying jobs, but only trying to identify if my skills and qualifications do stand a good chance among a lot of recruiters and if yes, then which area of work would they be from.

Cheers,
Jeff

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Post by wunder » Mon Jul 19, 2010 10:49 pm

kenfrapin wrote:For example, a single BR tiny flat in Ealing Broadway costs £900 whereas the same flat, tiny of course, in Slough which is 20mins away by a fast train costs £625.
In this example however the monthly season ticket to Slough will be £120 more expensive than from Ealing Broadway - so the improvement is only £155. Plus Slough is a well-known shit hole :wink:

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Post by kenfrapin » Tue Jul 20, 2010 6:35 am

Yup Slough is a sad pathetic place :roll:
But I do know of places like Iver, Langley and Maidenhead that are quite nice and family oriented and you can decent spacious places to rent for £700

Cheers
KP

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Marketing Jobs in the UK

Post by twister » Tue Jul 20, 2010 7:02 pm

Hi.

I thought I might as well chime in. The following is a bit of my background:

1. Have an MBA and another specialised e-business masters.
2. More than 10 years of marketing, product/brand management, strategic planning experience in the telecom industry.
3. Superb communication skills.

However, I would agree with everything kenfrapin has said. There are not enough jobs and too many people applying. Even if someone on a T1 is really good, there are too many people who are as good with UK experience and who can 'hit the ground running'.

So all in all, one needs to time their move. Hope this helps.

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