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Tintin,TintinHerge wrote:Leo- Good Question , Long-ish answer
What brings me hope is the concept of Dual Nationality which lets me ride in 2 boats at the same time - Lets me balance my allegiance and support to both the countries I love and therein I find my solace.
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Yeah ? And what information would that be , Learned One ?FromThere2Here wrote: I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't think you have the information you need in order to make a wise decision.
I certainly hope the Home Office can access them! The immigration officers at the port of entry are the ones who would be 'creating' the entries! I would be surprised if the UK does not keep a record of when you entered the country, especially post 9/11, If you look at the US, not only do they keep a record of when you arrived (and when you leave) but they take your picture and your fingerprints too!FromThere2Here wrote:BBDivo, you may be right in suggesting that swiping a machine-readable passport creates an entry in a database that the Home Office can access. But I suspect that's not the case. My passport gets swiped in every country I have ever visited (with the possible exception of African countries; I can't remember). I suspect the passport swiping access a database of known and wanted criminals. (Interpol?)bbdivo wrote:I don't know if you've noticed FromThere2Here but all the immigration posts I have travelled through (at the big airports, Heathrow et al) have computer consoles. If you have a machine readable passport the edge gets swiped (I know mine does) I'm sure they will enter some detail from the landing card there and then. I agree, there's no way they will gather all those cards and then type them all in later though!
Well, it's certainly charming the way you treat people who take time out of their day to answer your postings.TintinHerge wrote:Yeah ? And what information would that be , Learned One ?FromThere2Here wrote: I don't mean any disrespect, but I don't think you have the information you need in order to make a wise decision.
BTW, I dont feel disrespected by people whom i dont know or dont respect personally - So dont worry abt that.
Yes and those are the exact questions I did ask, before you so amazingly pointed it out back to me. I will let The Queen decide for herself who to be more proud of.FromThere2Here wrote:
To answer your question about the information that you lack or lacked:
1. You had no idea when you would become a British citizen.
2. You had no idea that you aren't allowed to have dual citizenship.
ezh wrote:sorry, basis,- I didn't know that it's such a difficult thing for India. I know that even in Germany the situation is changing towars allowing multiple nationality.
mhunjn I agree with this part of your past. I think, however, later part is not true.mhunjn wrote:The majority of Indians abroad (of which there are many!)... have been lobbying the govts. over successive years to allow dual nationality. But turning the wheels in a democratic system with a vast bureacratic system is a difficult thing and takes time.
What do u mean by this. The truth is that it is easy for a govt to bring the bill in parliament and get it passed.They can even do amendments to the constitution, if needed. Many experts feel that Article 11 of the Consitution of India confers all rights whatsoever to make enactments for citizenship. But making changes to constitution / legislation is not that difficult. The real problem is willing power of the beauracracy. When the BJP govt was in power they were looking at granting true dual citizenship and that's why they passed the law. The MHA / MOIA beauracracy however toured the whole world at the cost of Indian tax payers and came up with brilliant OCI which is almost similar to the already existing PIO scheme.Coupled with the fact that dual nationality is not allowed by an act of the parliament... and changing it would be extremely difficult thing.
What do you mean by not one 'legally'. OCI is backed by section 7A of Citizenship Act, 1955.To circumvent that issue, they have now come out with the Overseas Citizen of India... which gives a lot of benefits of dual natinality, but is not one 'legally'.
basis wrote:
What do you mean by not one 'legally'. OCI is backed by section 7A of Citizenship Act, 1955.
The problem is it is not 'true dual citizenship'. OCI is perfectly legal.
If we can convince the government that whichever party can get us(the future Dual Citizens) the right to vote, will get our vote, maybe they will have a motive to make it happen.basis wrote: If you ask most people - what's missing in OCI is right to vote. Most people are happy to live with other restrictions.
Cant see anything unethical there. you are voting for a policy for general good and cant see anything wrong in it.TintinHerge wrote:If we can convince the government that whichever party can get us(the future Dual Citizens) the right to vote, will get our vote, maybe they will have a motive to make it happen.basis wrote: If you ask most people - what's missing in OCI is right to vote. Most people are happy to live with other restrictions.
Before I get spammed , I know its unethical and I am saying it in a light humour-ish way.
I would like to thank every one again for their time and willingness to share thier experiences which I found helpfull.Fibunnaci wrote:Hi Guys,
Coming home from work,I learn that I received my approval.
Here is my time line.
Application=NCS(southwark)
Date of submission or posting 16/02/2006
Arrived at liverpool= 17/02/2006
CRITERIA - 5 yr stay (4 + 1 yr ILR)
Date of debit of cheque = 24/02/2006
Date of receipt of acknowledgement = 27/02/2006
Date of receipt of approval = 02/03/2006
FromThere2Here wrote:Basis,basis wrote:Did not really understand the question.
And even if they dont stamp your passport the computer system of Home Office keeps a record of your arrivals based on the immigration cards you fill and handover to the IO at port of entry.
Good luck.
I couldn't agree more with your scolding him about his plan to lie about time out of the country. It's wrong and it's stupid. It's not worth the risk of getting caught, which would seriously and most likely permanently jeopardize the citizenship application.
However, I'm curious about your statement that the HO keeps a computer record of our arrivals. Frankly, I doubt that's the case. Yes, we fill out the cards, but I can't imagine the HO spending money having scores of employees entering the data from the cards into a computer database. That would be a huge and costly task.
Also, I've pratically memorized the annexes to the naturalisation application. The annexes specifically say that the HO relies on stamps in passports to verify that naturalisation applications have stayed within the 450/90 day rule. In case of a missing passport, the annex says, days out of the country are to be calculated based on work records and the like. No mention anywhere of using those entry cards to verify days out of the country.
More likely, the cards are kept on file for a period of time in case a problem arises with a particular entry into the country.
At any rate, good for you for slapping down this silly idea of cheating on a application. Cheating is the worst possible idea.
Shimil wrote:Hi basis
May be I am not clear in my question. Yes it is true that immigration officer stamp and keep record of entering but please note that they dont for departing as I have noticed. Immigration officer rarely stamp passport when leaving UK and also in France where I reside I dont get stamped each time I leave and enter, so I mean is it possible that I stay even longer than 90 days outside UK and claim that I was in UK based on my bills for residence and electricity.