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Hi Ben,Ben wrote:Hi wizardland,
You have a choice.
Once in Ireland, you can present yourself, with your Irish husband, at your local GNIB office and receive Stamp 4, free of charge, there and then. You will require a visa to visit other EU Member States with your husband.
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Once in Ireland, you can apply to the Department of Justice for a "Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen", based on your marriage to a UK national who is resident in Ireland in conformity with Directive 2004/38/EC. After six months, the DoJ will approve your application and write to instruct you to present yourselves at your local GNIB office and receive Stamp 4 EUFam, free of charge, there and then. You will not require a visa to visit other EU Member States with your husband.
Selamat datang ke Ireland.
Be careful. GNIB officers may be ill-informed.wizardland wrote:Hi Ben,
Thanks for the info. I will surely bring this up when I see the immigartion officer. R u Indonesian or married to an Indonesian by any chance? I cant really tell based on the use of preposition
Terima kasih.
Before 1st January 2005, every child born on this island was entitled to be an Irish citizen. Since then it is only true if either parent is a British or Irish citizen, otherwise residency conditions apply.wizardland wrote:Oh, I am not very clear on this matter. But I did briefly read smthg about a baby born in Ireland to Chinese citizen parents, eventually Ireland changed its law regarding babies born in Ireland after 2007 or smthg? So, are you saying that a baby is automatically Irish if he/she was born in Ireland eventhough neither of the parents are Irish?
Indeed, but Waterford is catching up. Nowadays we even have a bus on Saturdays. Woohoo.wizardland wrote:Love Singapore. Superb transportation system
Xie xie nin
Fáilte go hÉireann!wizardland wrote:hi guys,
just arrived on sunday,
You can..wizardland wrote:i dont think i can get pps number bfor i get that stamp.
If you do not yet have proof of address, whoever you're living with can provide proof of their address and a note confirming that you are living with them.CitizensInformation.ie wrote:In order to receive a number, you will need to fill out an application form and provide proof of your identity.
If you are not Irish, you will need to produce the following documents:
* Your passport or national identity card
Or
* Your Immigration Card
And
* Evidence of your address, such as a household bill (ESB, telephone, gas, etc.) in your name.
I can't say for sure whether the spouse of an Irish citizen is issued Stamp 4 for five your or less, or whether it is free or €150. Don't forget that if you obtain Stamp 4 as the spouse of an Irish citizen and not Stamp 4 EUFam as the spouse of an EU citizen, you will require an entry visa for trips to Europe.wizardland wrote:hopefully i can get 5 yr, free of charge. its just confusing, the officer at the airport was nice and gave me 1 month to register with GNIB, however when i say the registration is free of charge he said its 150 euro for a 1 yr.
hi Ben, so i can either get stamp4 or stamp4EUFAM? well i definitely get stamp4EUFAM then. and how does re-entry visa work? should i ask for that when i see him as well? thxBen wrote:Fáilte go hÉireann!wizardland wrote:hi guys,
just arrived on sunday,
You can..wizardland wrote:i dont think i can get pps number bfor i get that stamp.If you do not yet have proof of address, whoever you're living with can provide proof of their address and a note confirming that you are living with them.CitizensInformation.ie wrote:In order to receive a number, you will need to fill out an application form and provide proof of your identity.
If you are not Irish, you will need to produce the following documents:
* Your passport or national identity card
Or
* Your Immigration Card
And
* Evidence of your address, such as a household bill (ESB, telephone, gas, etc.) in your name.
I can't say for sure whether the spouse of an Irish citizen is issued Stamp 4 for five your or less, or whether it is free or €150. Don't forget that if you obtain Stamp 4 as the spouse of an Irish citizen and not Stamp 4 EUFam as the spouse of an EU citizen, you will require an entry visa for trips to Europe.wizardland wrote:hopefully i can get 5 yr, free of charge. its just confusing, the officer at the airport was nice and gave me 1 month to register with GNIB, however when i say the registration is free of charge he said its 150 euro for a 1 yr.
Yes, providing your husband is either a UK national who is exercising Treaty rights in Ireland, or is Irish national who was pursing economic activity in the UK and is now pursuing economic activity in Ireland. Either way, Stamp 4 EUFam is obtained after apply to the Department of Justice for Residence card of a family member of a Union citizen. Applications are free, but take six months to process.wizardland wrote:hi Ben, so i can either get stamp4 or stamp4EUFAM? well i definitely get stamp4EUFAM then.
Possession of Stamp 4 EUFam exempts you from the requirement to hold a re-entry visa for Ireland. Possession of Stamp 4 does not, and a re-entry visa must be applied for before leaving Ireland, from the Department of Justice.wizardland wrote:and how does re-entry visa work? should i ask for that when i see him as well?
When my family members were applying for a PPS number and had no proof of address, I went with them and supplied a mobile phone bill, addressed to me, and I wrote on the front "I confirm that XXX is currently residing at my address as stated on this bill" - and I signed my name. Simple as that.wizardland wrote:just been to social welfare, trying to get a pps number. i brought my passport and proof of address (husband's name), obviously i wont have any proof of address as ive only been here 5 days. those werent enough for her, she asked why i needed a pps number, what i used to do. she needs the proof of my previous employment, written confirmation from husband that im living with him.
has this ever happened to anyone? non irish in particular? is this smthg i should be upset abt? cuz i am. i dont know y my passport isnt enough for her. i dont ask to have a pps number, this country asks me to have one.
exactly. it should be as simple as that. im upset because i feel im treated differently. and y is that, cuz of my nationality or race. i may sound a little too sensitive but this kind of thing had happened quite a few times, u would think i should be numb by now.Ben wrote:When my family members were applying for a PPS number and had no proof of address, I went with them and supplied a mobile phone bill, addressed to me, and I wrote on the front "I confirm that XXX is currently residing at my address as stated on this bill" - and I signed my name. Simple as that.wizardland wrote:just been to social welfare, trying to get a pps number. i brought my passport and proof of address (husband's name), obviously i wont have any proof of address as ive only been here 5 days. those werent enough for her, she asked why i needed a pps number, what i used to do. she needs the proof of my previous employment, written confirmation from husband that im living with him.
has this ever happened to anyone? non irish in particular? is this smthg i should be upset abt? cuz i am. i dont know y my passport isnt enough for her. i dont ask to have a pps number, this country asks me to have one.
Proof of previous employment is not a requirement in order to obtain a PPS number. See here. Print that page and take it with you.
wizardland wrote:Dear all,
Just found this great forum last night and thought to ask for some help.
My situation is I am from a visa-required country (Indonesia), husband is Irish, been married for 5 yrs now and used to reside in the UK and I just got my Irish Join Spouse visa last week (after Dublin received it 12 weeks ago , well I read "smwhere" and was told that it was going to take 4 - 6 weeks, 8 weeks top, which is not an unheard of case here I believe. However, Im just grateful that it's approved).
Now, I am still blurred by what I need to do upon arrival and Im flying on Saturday. (Im flying in alone, with my document folder ready in my on board baggage incase I need to show some things)
What I know now:
1. As there is no allowed duration stay written on my visa, I was told that the officer at Dublin airport will decide how long Im allowed to stay.
2. Then I need to go to the Garda with my husband to register (has something to do with residency?) and will get stamp 4 on my passport, also a card?
3. That stamp 4 allows me to work.
4. I swear I remember reading smwhere that "if you intend to stay more than 90 days, u need to register with the garda for 150 Euro each time, and that has to be done every yr" Pls tell me im wrong.
5. Ive got 3 pdf files on join spouse info, residency information, and working in ireland. However, to hear directly from ppl who have practiced it is always best.
What I want to know:
1. So usually how long will the airport officer allow Join Spouse visa holder like me to stay in Ireland? If, say they give 1 yr, then can I renew it without leaving the country?
2. About stamp 4, I have read some ppl here put "temporary stamp 4" so is stamp 4 like a temp permit to stay? What is the permanent one then? Is getting stamp 4 free of charge? How long will it last? How long is the process? Do they just stamp you there and then?
3. Ive read some ppl put stamp 4 expired so and so days...... what is going on? does that mean they overstayed? isnt there a required minimum time to renew so ppl wont overstay? Some ppl even said they have applied 6 months bfore expiry? This is horrifying, I mean, I would never dream of abusing my visa, or overstay or breach any law in any country so we do it by their book, right? and I expect them to do it by their book as well. Not to compare, eventho sounds like it, I had UK Spouse visa before and it took about 2 weeks maybe less since submission. I dont know if it had anything with the fact that I paid 500 GBP for it, while I paid nil for the Irish one. Well I did pay about 50 Euro for DHL.
4. I know about FAS, am I qualified to join some courses or get help seeking for jobs? What are the odds for migrant getting a job, considering many Irish are out of jobs? I have always been a teacher here but I dont mind getting more education in Ireland to be more qualified or even downgrade my job description if Im not qualified to join any course.
Thanks in advance for helping me. Im sure I have more questions to follow, I just cant think of anymore right now.
there are few things to note in your case:wizardland wrote:btw, my husband is both british and irish citizen. he just got his irish passport in march. he was living and working in the uk until he came to ireland last june. now is eu1 form still the right thing for me? i keep reading eu1 form is for non EEA spouse of EU citizen (should include Irish citizen as well)
while im unemployed, am i entitled to claim any benefit or jobseeker allowance?
thx
That is not the only option a family member of an EU citizen has. After 5 years of residence in accordance with the Directive, the non-EU family member can apply for a permanent residence card, valid for 10 years. The application takes 6 months.fatty patty wrote:* you have to wait 5 years (+ countless more years in citizenship app decision ) and should be paying taxes before you can apply for irish citizenship.