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EXACTLY. Like say, if I wanted to go to Holland on a combined business trip/honey-moon.. except the Dutch wouldn't even let us in to the embassy to APPLY during their opening hours. Or answer their phone. Wonder what people in dire need of consular assistance do.. they probably DIE in the gutter outside the embassy..86ti wrote:If you want to return to your own country from outside the EEA/Switzerland you cannot derive any rights from the Directive. You would have to apply via Danish national law. If you want to go straight to Sweden or any other member state for any reason then their embassy would have to issue with an entry visa. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to mean that embassies would do the right thing.
it seems like its all fluff and no substance ~ and govt's know it, thier embassies know it! they know that they can keep you hanging on for months for a free visa, that should be issued within 15 days ~ (I have known 1 issued same day but a 4 month fight to get into the embassy first!)acme4242 wrote:yes Melc, sadly it really seems true, the promise of rights and the ECJ case law
that guarantees lawful rights such as the freedom of movement
seems to be ignored by Government administrations
Solvit seem work shy dodgers, who fob you off until you give up on them.
The latest EU citizens rights information website is very disheartening.
I agree that the rights must be fought for, but wonder if one voice is enough when several can make more "organised" noise?acme4242 wrote:Everyone must fight for their own rights, and the starting point is knowledge.
All Government employees in all these Embassies will consider that
you have no lawful rights.
Sometimes this is because they lack education and training.
In the case of Italy, please read their National law, where they implemented the EU directive 2004/38/EC on free movement.
http://www.unipa.it/%7Ecdl/guriall/guri ... dlgs30.htm
Google translator can help, if you cannot read Italian
For the staff in the Embassy, You should push this under their nose.
fair point,MelC wrote: its not as though we are "fighting" for some equal right like emily pankhurst ~ its a conferred right
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has anyone got a link to the guide in italian? and i must get memo com313 final in italian! im sure i have somewhere!!
I appreciate the tongue-in-cheek sarcasm but honestly, not even some anonnymous moron on the internet could convince me that I want to marry anyone other than my beautiful wife.Fairtrade wrote:there are about 500 million people living in the EU. Next time make sure you marry someone from the EU and you will have a lot less problems.
No this is correct. There IS no special visa "for spouses of EU citizens", only the regular Schengen 3 months tourist visa.MelC wrote:we got another call from the embassy, well the senior counsellor? i think that should have said "consular" but got lost in translation, after a week of me complaining everywhere ~ we went back to the embassy, within an hour i would add, and they were sitting ready and waiting to producte the visa ~ and hubby will go and get it on monday ~ HOWEVER ~ italy only has 2 types of visa ~ national or schengen!!
so they are putting a schengen visa in his passport!!!!!!!!!
unless they state that this is in lieu of an accompanying spouse visa we are no further forward as the rules for schengen and eu are different with regards to work etc and it will be a nightmare as my husband will be treated differently ~ might ask them to send his passport to an italian embassy that does have a computer that can produce the correct visa as the one here cant (the computer says NO!)
i see more problems than solutions with this!
thoughts anyone?????
The visa comments section should say "spouse of EU citizen" or "EU family"Visa Code wrote: 7. ‘TYPE OF VISA’ heading:
In order to facilitate matters for the control authorities, this heading specifies the type of visa using the letters A, C and D as follows:
A: airport transit visa (as defined in Article 2(5) of this Regulation)
C: visa (as defined in Article 2(2) of this Regulation)
D: long-stay visa
yes, point taken, and I guess this was the Ferry Port visa checking staffMelC wrote:We collectedthe visa yesterday and we went to the ferry port, and explained the situation, and as far as they are concerned ~ my husband needs to comply with tourist visa regulations or they will refuse him boarding!!!
his visa is tourist is all they can say!!!!
point proven huh?
Schengen Border Guard Handbook wrote:
6. Persons enjoying the Community right of freemovement
are nationals of EU Member States, EEA countries
and Switzerland, as well as members of their family,
regardless of their nationality, accompanying or joining them.
3. Special rules for checks on certain categories of persons
3.1 Persons enjoying the Community right of free movement
3.1.1 Persons enjoying the Community right of free movement are
authorised to cross the border of a Member State on the basis of the
following documents, as a general rule:
– EU, EEA, CH citizens: identity card or passport;
– members of the family of EU, EEA, CH citizens
who are nationals of a third country: passport.
They may also be required to have an entry visa,
if they are nationals of a third country subject to the
visa obligation, unless they are in possession
of a valid residence permit or card, issued by a Member
State (or by EEA countries or CH).
4.2 No entry or exit stamp must be affixed in the following cases:
4.3 The travel document of family members of EU, EEA and CH citizens
who are third country nationals must also be stamped, unless they present a
residence permit or card with the indication family member of an EU
citizen or family member of an EEA or CH citizen.