walrusgumble wrote:Funny enough it does, but no sorry , I am not from Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael. However, I do have an undying hatered for Fine Gael - though this is not the basis of my responsefatty patty wrote:walrusgumble wrote:You seem to have a difficulty telling the difference between being granted citizenship automatically and being granted residency, and an expectation that you must at least live here with wife before applying. Its not a huge requirement or obstacle is it? THere was nothing in that statement state stated that he was going to stop residencyacme4242 wrote:O'Donoghue, his lies and his high living expenses are his legacy
and a youtube clip showing his arrogance
Secondly, this state was said in or around 2000 - 2001, a time when the baby "boom" IBC is nearing its last legs. The new "student" industry (with mickey mouse courses, some of the owners whom have been shut down for dodgy business) was also starting to merge. Looking over to what was happening in the UK gave them plenty to be concerned with. Also, look at what happened under McDowell's time as Minister, in 2003, when there was a blatant abuse of immigration systems via a handy loophole in the ECJ case of Chen 2004, a matter which Ireland got a bollocking from other EU heads of State as we were seen as the back door to europe, whilst the others had progressively addressed the inward control of 3rd Nationals.
I must commend how you take that report out of context as well. The change of the laws were also influence by fact that numbers were living Ireland upon getting the citizenship and then moving over to eg UK, barely to be seen again, or heard of. Hardly swearing to remain here in good faith as required by the legislation now is it?
Its accpeted, O'Donohue was was not the best Minister and made a complete hammms of the immigration side of things, particularily the refugee act 1996 as amended by 1999. But to refer to the lies and high expenses is pretty f*cking retarded. They were all on the make, he was not the only one, it did not effect his ability to act as a minister dealing with THIS issue.
As for the youtube clip, he is the Ceann Comharile, it was disgraceful behaviour from the opposition in particular Enda Kenny, a man who can't even demand the full and absolute respect from his own party , the only time that prick ever look like he had balls (tiny ones albeit). Lawyers in a court room would not dare to treat a judge with such distain. Problem is, O'Donoghue in that clip, reacted like his nick name, and did so badly. I would not be surprised that the opposition had ambushed him, knowing his temper and knowing the publicity would be on him as new ceann comhairle.
Other than that, he was a chancer. Lies, though? I don't see him before the dail committees? You know something we don't know about?
looks like you are on finna fail payroll man...this party full of crony muppets who reminds me of african/south asian corrupt politicians but difference is they are white and speaking english. atleast fine gael deputies has the balls to stand up to its leader if they think he is no good and lost confidence. what did finna fail do when Bertie screwing about with his tribunals and other corruption allegation? stayed silent. Bertie only resigned due to media/public pressure.
spouse of irish citizen should be entitled to irish citizenship after certain years full stop. Its not fair to see irish spouse and kids on one line and getting swished through while non irish spouse waiting till the airport closes to get out....try it it aint nice.
one thing is for sure....irish immigration system or infact really any public service institution aint proactive...they are reactive. act upon when they see others are acting upon and they copy UK system which is not a bad system but difference is here they copy it pretty badly.
The you tube reference would be equally applied if the ceann comhairle was a fine gaeler. Enda is a rubbish politican, regardless of the party, they are doing reasonably well, in spite of him.
THe person can't even read the conbtetx of what O'Donoghue was on about during those dail debates.
Its good to see that you have failed to make any decent substantive argument in relation to this. Fine Gael won't be much better on the immigration front, look out for Leo V. They are knee jerk reactionaries, conversative etc. No good talking, action is what counts. I see very few in the party (there are a number of good) one who will have the balls. any bollox can sound good when they are in opposition. were are their purposals now as oppose to waiting to unless them at elections and when they go into power. Not since the days of Charles J Haughey, does a person need to fear death, phone tapping etc unlike the african - asian politicans who refer to. incompetence is not corruption, its just bloody bad luck for the voters
By the way, its being a long time an irish politican had balls. following the mood of the people and the polls at all times does not mean you have balls. bringing in legislation etc against all public opinion but solely in the interest and good of the country which later turns out to work, thats balls.
But the comments made are groundless and or are irrelevant from an IMMIGRATION point of view. It does nothing to support one's arguement, its lazy and it tells an awful lot about the writer who is unable to use pieces of information within the context.
Unless you are really really really guilable and retarded, you might have realised that the recent leadership show down was a fix!!!!!! It was a great way of making Enda look like the all powerful mighty man. It worked for a few days. but then.../ you say they have balls, that supposed heave was a half arse attempt by a few power hungry and obviously not popular members of the party. If enda have balls he would have banished them to the back benches or forced them to resign ala haughey style. but no, enda wants power. Sure he can't even keep loose lips creighton quite.
THey are all the same, these parties, but you are delluding yourself to think that the fine gael party are anything. You clearly sound a wee bit ignorant to the power struggles and family in fighting with FG over the decades, which has crippled the party. I recommend you check out a very good documentary, made by Mint Productions (miriam O'Callaghan's group , a family at war or something)
Again, no body is actually saying that a spouse of an irish national is not entitled to citizenship! they are simply required to apply , like everyone else. They will be considered a lot more differently, and more favourably than other cases. Someone is protesting too much. They will have stamp 4 in the meantime. Any genuines would not be too bothered by it as they will be able to travel easily enough around europe with spouse. THey still get through the air port don't they? such inconvenience is not enough.
I swear i read it somewhere you said below on one of the forum to my response to current politicians (finna failers) in power...
walrusgumble wrote:"""In fairness, its the people who put them there, again and again and have tolerated their carry on. How many have been kicked out of the Dail or refused permission to stand as candidate for next elections for mismanagement of expenses. Look what happened at Westminister, they did right"""fatty patty wrote:Delay tactics so people go away, thats what it is i think to be honest.memomemo wrote:im not talking about to get visa , im talking about to review decision it takes too long , i know it couse im working at law firm in bruksel and i heard many
complain to inis.everybody get tired here for inis judgment.
100%inis even not fair irish citizen
Ireland problem isn't Irish people....its the clowns who rule them. No one is perfect for sure.looks like they re to be very royalist than the king. if everybody move there who is going to pay tax to pay inis officer
anyway , iriland going to loose
Sudden change of heart...how come?