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1. You can visit Northern Ireland on your UK visa and from there take a bus or train to Republic of Ireland, (this is bending rules and every monkey knows that) there is no border checks or anything. But the question is airlines check passport when you are boarding a plane, they will question you about your current expired UK visa even if you are "only" visiting Belfast.Zebrudaya wrote:Dear colleagues
Please I need help in this problem. I am an overstayer in the UK. I plan to nip across the water and take a few exams in Dublin. My question is this:(1) Is it possible to do so safely without any stamp in my new passport showing that my stay in the UK is still current? (2) Will that little absence ( less than 30 days ) cause the HO to claim that my 14 years stay in the UK hasn`t been continous? (3) When I obtain ILR, do I still require a visa to visit Ireland?
Please the gurus,moderators and members of standing etc should help me by providing answers. Thank you.
Since when? I am kinda curious to know...coz it sounds like a world war 2 rubbish where gestapos boarding trains/buses asks for "papier"! (the rubbish great escape).aswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
Traditionally, there are cross boarder checks at this time of the yearaswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
I am not aiding anyone to be illegal alien, your man asked for advise and people here share their experience, yeah? I lived in louth two years ago and seen for myself how easy it is to do a merry go around without any checks from either side. Friends have taken bus, i have used car, never stopped or asked to show or produce documents. The only checkpoint i came across (after countless of visits back and forth) was PSNI checkpoint in Newry once...and they were checking for tax/insurance and very helpful and guided us towards sainsbury. And in Ireland it was gardai hiding behind the bushes with the speed traps, no immigration. (booze is very cheap in NI i have to say even cheaper than britain for some reason). But again it was two years...maybe their are checks nowadays so i cant say for sure. Although just been to a gig in belfast this july....no checks! maybe i'm just lucky.walrusgumble wrote:Traditionally, there are cross boarder checks at this time of the yearaswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
What you will be doing is illegal. And Patty knows full well, that the website is not suppose to be used for the purpose of aiding and abeiting such activity. Your Emoticons don't share a good light
fatty patty wrote:I am not aiding anyone to be illegal alien, your man asked for advise and people here share their experience, yeah? I lived in louth two years ago and seen for myself how easy it is to do a merry go around without any checks from either side. Friends have taken bus, i have used car, never stopped or asked to show or produce documents. The only checkpoint i came across (after countless of visits back and forth) was PSNI checkpoint in Newry once...and they were checking for tax/insurance and very helpful and guided us towards sainsbury. And in Ireland it was gardai hiding behind the bushes with the speed traps, no immigration. (booze is very cheap in NI i have to say even cheaper than britain for some reason). But again it was two years...maybe their are checks nowadays so i cant say for sure. Although just been to a gig in belfast this july....no checks! maybe i'm just lucky.walrusgumble wrote:Traditionally, there are cross boarder checks at this time of the yearaswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
What you will be doing is illegal. And Patty knows full well, that the website is not suppose to be used for the purpose of aiding and abeiting such activity. Your Emoticons don't share a good light
Here is a tip for you, make an application for the relevant visas in order to enter legally the relevant jurisdictions.Zebrudaya wrote:Dear fatty patty, aswadref and walrusgumble
Thank you for your advice and prompt response. I hope to travel to Dublin to take some professional exams etc. However, as I came to the UK with a visit visa which expired many years ago, I now have a new passport without any stamp on it. This explains why I am asking all these questions. Believe it or not, I had passed the exams in UK, but was prevented from getting registered by my professional body on grounds of discrimination ( age & non-EU ). I can`t fight the institution legally ( no money plus illegal status ), so I am examining the possibility of getting Ireland`s registration and using it to work in UK. This is after I must have got ILR. EU law require all member states to recognise the certificates of all member states etc.
Put another way, my kind advisers are not aiding me in doing anything illegal. I am not an al-quaida muslim fanatic or some body who is ready to destroy other people who don`t follow their religion etc. I am a simple gentleman who overstayed due to discriminatory practices in UK and who just want an avenue to complete his professional training etc.
Thank you.
Actually you are, this chap has been illegal in the UK for 14 years and wants to get British citizenship under the continuous stay rule, hence him wanting to know if it will mess up his continuous stay in the UK if he goes to Ireland.fatty patty wrote:I am not aiding anyone to be illegal alien, your man asked for advise and people here share their experience, yeah? I lived in louth two years ago and seen for myself how easy it is to do a merry go around without any checks from either side. Friends have taken bus, i have used car, never stopped or asked to show or produce documents. The only checkpoint i came across (after countless of visits back and forth) was PSNI checkpoint in Newry once...and they were checking for tax/insurance and very helpful and guided us towards sainsbury. And in Ireland it was gardai hiding behind the bushes with the speed traps, no immigration. (booze is very cheap in NI i have to say even cheaper than britain for some reason). But again it was two years...maybe their are checks nowadays so i cant say for sure. Although just been to a gig in belfast this july....no checks! maybe i'm just lucky.walrusgumble wrote:Traditionally, there are cross boarder checks at this time of the yearaswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
What you will be doing is illegal. And Patty knows full well, that the website is not suppose to be used for the purpose of aiding and abeiting such activity. Your Emoticons don't share a good light
Zebrudaya wrote:Dear fatty patty, aswadref and walrusgumble
Thank you for your advice and prompt response. I hope to travel to Dublin to take some professional exams etc. However, as I came to the UK with a visit visa which expired many years ago, I now have a new passport without any stamp on it. This explains why I am asking all these questions. Believe it or not, I had passed the exams in UK, but was prevented from getting registered by my professional body on grounds of discrimination ( age & non-EU ). I can`t fight the institution legally ( no money plus illegal status ), so I am examining the possibility of getting Ireland`s registration and using it to work in UK. This is after I must have got ILR. EU law require all member states to recognise the certificates of all member states etc.
Put another way, my kind advisers are not aiding me in doing anything illegal. I am not an al-quaida muslim fanatic or some body who is ready to destroy other people who don`t follow their religion etc. I am a simple gentleman who overstayed due to discriminatory practices in UK and who just want an avenue to complete his professional training etc.
Thank you.
1. "Safely"? Don't know what you mean. You will need a student visa in order to take exams in Ireland. You should apply for this at the Irish embassy in London.Zebrudaya wrote:Dear colleagues
Please I need help in this problem. I am an overstayer in the UK. I plan to nip across the water and take a few exams in Dublin. My question is this:(1) Is it possible to do so safely without any stamp in my new passport showing that my stay in the UK is still current? (2) Will that little absence ( less than 30 days ) cause the HO to claim that my 14 years stay in the UK hasn`t been continous? (3) When I obtain ILR, do I still require a visa to visit Ireland?
Please the gurus,moderators and members of standing etc should help me by providing answers. Thank you.
But the above user is undocumented in Britain....how will the user qualify for UK citizenship is beyond me. As far as cross border checks are concnerned....yeah maybe stopping irish reg vans to check for booze/fags trips so it dont get flogged in the market for cheap but defo not for illegal aliens.SSEF wrote:Actually you are, this chap has been illegal in the UK for 14 years and wants to get British citizenship under the continuous stay rule, hence him wanting to know if it will mess up his continuous stay in the UK if he goes to Ireland.fatty patty wrote:I am not aiding anyone to be illegal alien, your man asked for advise and people here share their experience, yeah? I lived in louth two years ago and seen for myself how easy it is to do a merry go around without any checks from either side. Friends have taken bus, i have used car, never stopped or asked to show or produce documents. The only checkpoint i came across (after countless of visits back and forth) was PSNI checkpoint in Newry once...and they were checking for tax/insurance and very helpful and guided us towards sainsbury. And in Ireland it was gardai hiding behind the bushes with the speed traps, no immigration. (booze is very cheap in NI i have to say even cheaper than britain for some reason). But again it was two years...maybe their are checks nowadays so i cant say for sure. Although just been to a gig in belfast this july....no checks! maybe i'm just lucky.walrusgumble wrote:Traditionally, there are cross boarder checks at this time of the yearaswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
What you will be doing is illegal. And Patty knows full well, that the website is not suppose to be used for the purpose of aiding and abeiting such activity. Your Emoticons don't share a good light
Have a read up on the UK's Long Residence (14 year) rule.fatty patty wrote:But the above user is undocumented in Britain....how will the user qualify for UK citizenship is beyond me.
Don't be so naive. Public transport spot checks do occur on border crossings between Ireland / Northern Ireland and people are refused entry (usually to Ireland).fatty patty wrote:As far as cross border checks are concnerned.... ..defo not for illegal aliens.
fascinating!Ben wrote:Have a read up on the UK's Long Residence (14 year) rule.fatty patty wrote:But the above user is undocumented in Britain....how will the user qualify for UK citizenship is beyond me.
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... iew=Binary
They most certainly do ... as you say but certainly not as high profile as other cross border raids...Ben wrote:Don't be so naive. Public transport spot checks do occur on border crossings between Ireland / Northern Ireland and people are refused entry (usually to Ireland).fatty patty wrote:As far as cross border checks are concnerned.... ..defo not for illegal aliens.
Sorry i wasn't clear in my earlier statement. What i meant was that the cross border checks are not that common, as you said spot checks..no doubt they do occur but certainly not a common occurance in my experience. And its fasinating to read that 14 years UK rule that any undocumented can be naturalised after being undocumented...very hard on those who are getting permits/visas and stuff.Ben wrote:Eh?
Just to make it clearer ... their is a parked red van by the boarder when coming into Dundalk... that van is use by the Immigration unit. They do regular checks on buses and any suspected cars and also some Immigration offices travel with the train on plain cloth so that they cant be identifying or join the train from Dundalk for inspection. so wont advise anybody to cross illegally. Best of Luck anyway.fatty patty wrote:Since when? I am kinda curious to know...coz it sounds like a world war 2 rubbish where gestapos boarding trains/buses asks for "papier"! (the rubbish great escape).aswadref wrote:mate u will have to be carefull there are sometimes checks on buses or trains as well.
But if thats the case then one can always rent-a-car you know...or take a cab from newry to dundalk....or even walk from newry to dundalk.
But think of what they would have gone through in the 14years, may not be able to get a proper job or education, fear on seeing any uniformed personnel etc. Precious years that cant be recovered...fatty patty wrote: Sorry i wasn't clear in my earlier statement. What i meant was that the cross border checks are not that common, as you said spot checks..no doubt they do occur but certainly not a common occurance in my experience. And its fasinating to read that 14 years UK rule that any undocumented can be naturalised after being undocumented...very hard on those who are getting permits/visas and stuff.