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Yes, but that is the issue with potential bogus colleges and chop shop universities, so to say, which enabled issuance of these visas... in this case, it is different.mist99 wrote:
We all hope there will be a transitional policy. However, the question they put indicates the possibility of closing without transition. As regards the court action, please bear in mind that last year when they changed the psw policy to exclude postgrade certificate and postgraduate diploma from the scheme, they did not give any transition period. So there is a real danger!
Many news, many rumours... we need some definitive decisions. So far, we have none. I think the scheme will be closed entirely, all we can do, is fight for transition period and fairness for those who spend years of life and invested significant money here to study, to keep their original conditions.anjum70 wrote:Recent news heard is this link
http://www.universityworldnews.com/arti ... 9192100914
Point to note is
The "Tier 1 Post Study Work Route" will be closed. This has enabled international students to stay in the UK for up to two years after being awarded their degree, working in unskilled jobs, in order to look for skilled work. Instead they will be restricted to applying for skilled jobs. This would remove an entitlement granted to 38,000 international graduates in 2009 and almost 8,000 of their dependants.
Any comments on this plz ?????????[/b]
How much money do we need, do we have any lawyers to assist us? I would be willing to contribute... for common goal. We can't save psw, but we can maybe get a transitionary period.Tier 4 wrote:We need contribution from all students for legal expenses. Any suggestions?fibreman wrote:Also, I would be willing to go to court if we had a strong case... we need lawyers also here. Many students are affected by this... tens of thousands.
We need to organise and push till the end if needed. However, only if there is a chance for it.
HSMP people had to fight hard and bitter for their rights... eventually, they will close the scheme for sure, though.
I fear worst, but hope for the best... I am activating many people...
Well, I hope you are right... but this public thing might just be a show... this si what i fear, that we can't do anything.tusso wrote:
Meh... Not completely true, if they wanted to go 100% with the decision they would have closed it already, I doubt they will leave it the way it is, but they might restrict it, and hopefully give a transition period for people graduating this year... Apart from the Russell Group opposing to the closure of PSW Vince Cable also expressed his concerns, so its still hard to say
110% agree! Like you, I also pay 12000 per year, plus livign costs... PSW was a major factor why I came here, droppign also other options. Ironically, now, other countries do offer this... while UK will talk to us.fahmad wrote:OMG at one moment when I read tis a few days ago I just thought like WHAT THE H***? I pay £12500 a year! Yeh that's what they make u pay in Central London. not namin the uni but yeh.
When I enrolled in the course, British Council reps and university reps MARKET their courses with a 'prospective job' opportunities under the PSW. To be honest, like many of you I got sold for it and one of the reasons why I dropped America and Australia despite the fact I got into top unis there.
I thought PSW in the UK, graduating from London - a short work experience here would let me launch a quicker career path.
Now after all of these, in my final year, I get to know it is going to be closed.
I think the Conservatives are only bothered to show STATISTICAL data that they have brought down net migration. They don't really care HOW this is done. Student visas and PSW visas are not permanent visas. To begin with they shouldn't even count these visa categories as 'migrants' cuz tbh we are not 'migrating'. Migration that they need to be concerned about is permanent migration. Student visas and PSW do not even count towards qualifying for permanent residency or citizenship, so in what what these have been seen as damaging? I think international students contribute so much to the economy, we have been paying 'market price' for the universities, if I'm not mistaken £5.3bn towards the UK economy yearly (that's from current figures not when they SLASH down numbers of international students).
They say we put pressure into public spending. How again? We pay everything by ourselves and are not state-dependent. For the PSW, we will pay UK taxes in employment, we will have to pay council taxes, so WE are contributing towards public spending.
Although I agree they have the perogative to change anything, they should for one uphold their integrity and moral rights in at least letting off students already in UK education to qualify for the scheme. I agree with most of you.
If you need any contribution COUNT ME IN.
Best thing is to forward a message to all SU leaders, International Students Association in UK universities, International Offices in all UK universities, Immigration Minister, Home Minister, Business Skills and Innovation Shadow Minister. We can also sign a petition at the 10 Downing St website. Well to be honest do anything until the end. At least we tried.
At the end of the day, we are international students. When we made a decision to study overseas, that showed our maturity in great depths. If this country has nothing to offer, I guess time to move on. It will suffer economic repercussions for decisions it takes.
Do keep this thread alive and updated. Don't stop until we get a desirable outcome! Get connected with all your fellow international students.
To be honest, from the very start i'm 100% convinced, we can win this and we must win this if it ends up in court.fibreman wrote:Yes. spot on! I am already activating people around me, in my Uni and spreading information... many people don't seem to even know that they are at stake. A quiet blow could follow... I have already started work on this.tall_funky wrote:Transitional period is a cut off date.Tier 4 wrote:Transitional period means it should go along with on-going qualification not by on its self with some specific period.prova wrote:there are many universities who runs academic year from February . Even if you check London based university u will find the February courses.If they give 1 year transitional period i think at least we could survive for a while .
Its like few can get it and few can’t, if a person doing one year study and other person doing three year study (means 3 time expensive study) both got admission in Sep 2010. How they going to make it work? Can’t wait to see what they will come up with.
For e.g they can say anyone who is starting their course before Sep 2011 is under transitional arrangement just like in MBA provision HSMP they had june 2008
Also, you are 110% right. Legal system in UK knows precedents I think, and decision for HSMP MBA transition programme, is one precedent, made by same party-ukba. I think we could crush this in court, using this fact. Otherwise, we are discriminated against.
Spot on luckylondon, no one should be allowed to USE us.luckylondon wrote:well i too have started the job...i meet to my International service consuler and trying to form some group......its request to evryone..to take part more and more part.....so tht we can be well prepared for any activity....these government cant simply use us whn they want and say byee whn thy dont...ther are some policies, procedures, laws and systematic way to do thngs....we shuld be having same policies when we got admission or garnted visa...otherwise why we wuld had come here, rather to go some country wch benifts us more...
fibreman, lets not confuse here about saving PSW. We cannot save PSW, all we asking is Transitional arrangement for everyone who started their course before 23rd Nov 2010.fibreman wrote:Also, I would be willing to go to court if we had a strong case... we need lawyers also here. Many students are affected by this... tens of thousands.
We need to organise and push till the end if needed. However, only if there is a chance for it.
HSMP people had to fight hard and bitter for their rights... eventually, they will close the scheme for sure, though.
I fear worst, but hope for the best... I am activating many people...
Anjum this is very good.anjum70 wrote:Recent news heard is this link
http://www.universityworldnews.com/arti ... 9192100914
Point to note is
The "Tier 1 Post Study Work Route" will be closed. This has enabled international students to stay in the UK for up to two years after being awarded their degree, working in unskilled jobs, in order to look for skilled work. Instead they will be restricted to applying for skilled jobs. This would remove an entitlement granted to 38,000 international graduates in 2009 and almost 8,000 of their dependants.
Any comments on this plz ?????????[/b]
I agree its not the same and even then they gave 4 to 6 months advance notice.fibreman wrote:Yes, but that is the issue with potential bogus colleges and chop shop universities, so to say, which enabled issuance of these visas... in this case, it is different.mist99 wrote:
We all hope there will be a transitional policy. However, the question they put indicates the possibility of closing without transition. As regards the court action, please bear in mind that last year when they changed the psw policy to exclude postgrade certificate and postgraduate diploma from the scheme, they did not give any transition period. So there is a real danger!
Here, we are talking about legit, graduate uni level system being scrapped completely. It is not the same issue.
well my guess is to take this till end may be to supreme court/House Of Lords, we looking at approx. £40K to £60K.fibreman wrote:How much money do we need, do we have any lawyers to assist us? I would be willing to contribute... for common goal. We can't save psw, but we can maybe get a transitionary period.Tier 4 wrote:We need contribution from all students for legal expenses. Any suggestions?fibreman wrote:Also, I would be willing to go to court if we had a strong case... we need lawyers also here. Many students are affected by this... tens of thousands.
We need to organise and push till the end if needed. However, only if there is a chance for it.
HSMP people had to fight hard and bitter for their rights... eventually, they will close the scheme for sure, though.
I fear worst, but hope for the best... I am activating many people...
Once you have put an application and till the time you have exhausted all your appeal rights, you are legal here and your previous visa conditions will continue.fibreman wrote: Many of us would be hit by flash decision, but have very little time to do anything and plan their future. There is hardly much u can do if your visa expires in few months...
What these politicians/think tank don't understand is this: if you expel talented people you compete with those same talented people in this global village who are once expelled are not with you but against you.fibreman wrote:asmi10 wrote:i feel this is what the chances should be for both student visa and Psw......if anyone feels my points are valid please write them down in the consultation.....If i have missed some thing please add on.... try as much as possible and make the students aware..some even dont know as yet abt the consultation....
Agreed, but it's a waste of time... they have already decided to close psw, that's it. Publicly, it's been said. What is the consultation for if decision is here already? Mockery... the only thing we can fight for is transitory system for those finishing already.
At best, ukba will average to see how many yes, no votes there are... they won't read all of the stories we give them.
Germany,
Australia, Canada, US and ohers have this system... graduates are fresh people with drive and potential. It is a great loss to expel them.
This whole govt is a mockery... these policies a tragedy... they are not based on any facts, but arbitrary numbers and agenda... it's apolitical thing, MAC already said they want the route to stay.
Very well said.fahmad wrote:OMG at one moment when I read tis a few days ago I just thought like WHAT THE H***? I pay £12500 a year! Yeh that's what they make u pay in Central London. not namin the uni but yeh.
When I enrolled in the course, British Council reps and university reps MARKET their courses with a 'prospective job' opportunities under the PSW. To be honest, like many of you I got sold for it and one of the reasons why I dropped America and Australia despite the fact I got into top unis there.
I thought PSW in the UK, graduating from London - a short work experience here would let me launch a quicker career path.
Now after all of these, in my final year, I get to know it is going to be closed.
I think the Conservatives are only bothered to show STATISTICAL data that they have brought down net migration. They don't really care HOW this is done. Student visas and PSW visas are not permanent visas. To begin with they shouldn't even count these visa categories as 'migrants' cuz tbh we are not 'migrating'. Migration that they need to be concerned about is permanent migration. Student visas and PSW do not even count towards qualifying for permanent residency or citizenship, so in what what these have been seen as damaging? I think international students contribute so much to the economy, we have been paying 'market price' for the universities, if I'm not mistaken £5.3bn towards the UK economy yearly (that's from current figures not when they SLASH down numbers of international students).
They say we put pressure into public spending. How again? We pay everything by ourselves and are not state-dependent. For the PSW, we will pay UK taxes in employment, we will have to pay council taxes, so WE are contributing towards public spending.
Although I agree they have the perogative to change anything, they should for one uphold their integrity and moral rights in at least letting off students already in UK education to qualify for the scheme. I agree with most of you.
If you need any contribution COUNT ME IN.
Best thing is to forward a message to all SU leaders, International Students Association in UK universities, International Offices in all UK universities, Immigration Minister, Home Minister, Business Skills and Innovation Shadow Minister. We can also sign a petition at the 10 Downing St website. Well to be honest do anything until the end. At least we tried.
At the end of the day, we are international students. When we made a decision to study overseas, that showed our maturity in great depths. If this country has nothing to offer, I guess time to move on. It will suffer economic repercussions for decisions it takes.
Do keep this thread alive and updated. Don't stop until we get a desirable outcome! Get connected with all your fellow international students.
Spot On!fibreman wrote:110% agree! Like you, I also pay 12000 per year, plus livign costs... PSW was a major factor why I came here, droppign also other options. Ironically, now, other countries do offer this... while UK will talk to us.fahmad wrote:OMG at one moment when I read tis a few days ago I just thought like WHAT THE H***? I pay £12500 a year! Yeh that's what they make u pay in Central London. not namin the uni but yeh.
When I enrolled in the course, British Council reps and university reps MARKET their courses with a 'prospective job' opportunities under the PSW. To be honest, like many of you I got sold for it and one of the reasons why I dropped America and Australia despite the fact I got into top unis there.
I thought PSW in the UK, graduating from London - a short work experience here would let me launch a quicker career path.
Now after all of these, in my final year, I get to know it is going to be closed.
I think the Conservatives are only bothered to show STATISTICAL data that they have brought down net migration. They don't really care HOW this is done. Student visas and PSW visas are not permanent visas. To begin with they shouldn't even count these visa categories as 'migrants' cuz tbh we are not 'migrating'. Migration that they need to be concerned about is permanent migration. Student visas and PSW do not even count towards qualifying for permanent residency or citizenship, so in what what these have been seen as damaging? I think international students contribute so much to the economy, we have been paying 'market price' for the universities, if I'm not mistaken £5.3bn towards the UK economy yearly (that's from current figures not when they SLASH down numbers of international students).
They say we put pressure into public spending. How again? We pay everything by ourselves and are not state-dependent. For the PSW, we will pay UK taxes in employment, we will have to pay council taxes, so WE are contributing towards public spending.
Although I agree they have the perogative to change anything, they should for one uphold their integrity and moral rights in at least letting off students already in UK education to qualify for the scheme. I agree with most of you.
If you need any contribution COUNT ME IN.
Best thing is to forward a message to all SU leaders, International Students Association in UK universities, International Offices in all UK universities, Immigration Minister, Home Minister, Business Skills and Innovation Shadow Minister. We can also sign a petition at the 10 Downing St website. Well to be honest do anything until the end. At least we tried.
At the end of the day, we are international students. When we made a decision to study overseas, that showed our maturity in great depths. If this country has nothing to offer, I guess time to move on. It will suffer economic repercussions for decisions it takes.
Do keep this thread alive and updated. Don't stop until we get a desirable outcome! Get connected with all your fellow international students.
And I agree, we don't use any services... we heavily overpay our stay here. There are atl 500 000 ilelgals in UK... nobody does anything... and now we will be expelled. We were brought here under false promises.
Lets take this to court and fight... I'm tired of being played...
Its not 14, its only 8 weeks consultation ending on 31st Jan 2011.zee_aziz wrote:on which date 14 weeks consultation is going to be completed?
Exactly the point, sorry if i confused in my earlier posts... i agree there is nothing we can do to save it, but transitionary period, yes. How do you think i would feel if after more than 50k gbp, a few months before my diploma, i get the news it's closed... we were brought here with false commercial.tall_funky wrote:fibreman, lets not confuse here about saving PSW. We cannot save PSW, all we asking is Transitional arrangement for everyone who started their course before 23rd Nov 2010.fibreman wrote:Also, I would be willing to go to court if we had a strong case... we need lawyers also here. Many students are affected by this... tens of thousands.
We need to organise and push till the end if needed. However, only if there is a chance for it.
HSMP people had to fight hard and bitter for their rights... eventually, they will close the scheme for sure, though.
I fear worst, but hope for the best... I am activating many people...
We will fight till end if needed.
Exactly, my thoughts also... time is short, guys, we need to act. If we can get some mps to support us, that would be even better.tall_funky wrote:Its not 14, its only 8 weeks consultation ending on 31st Jan 2011.zee_aziz wrote:on which date 14 weeks consultation is going to be completed?
I think purposefully they have put this during festive season so that only few people can take part and they can get away with it.
However, this time they will not be that lucky.