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You make this sound like Darfur!!Blackwater1 wrote:It's better way to take `revenge' than describing IO's atrocities here which is totally a priceless waste of time.
In the same way as some on this board trivialise the law breaking act of overstayers, by offering advice and help about how to overcome the 'situation'?So you are trivialising the fact that an officer of law enforcement breaks laws?
What does this have to do with this case or anybody commenting in this thread? I asked you specifically about your opinion but it seems you are just trying to justify your own deeds with the actions of others ("The others do it so I can do it too"?).keffers wrote:In the same way as some on this board trivialise the law breaking act of overstayers, by offering advice and help about how to overcome the 'situation'?
Did the OP manipulate the law? In what way? Are you suggesting that officials only have to comply with the law if everyone else did?keffers wrote:Want officials to comply with the law? Then folk here should only help those who have complied with the law and not those who have deliberately broken it. Those who do break the law and try and manipulate it only make it difficult for those who make genuine and truthful applications.
Why can't I eat my cake?keffers wrote:You can't have your cake and eat it.
No. Please try to stop suggesting that I am suggesting something other than what I have written. Its a bit childish. The posts I have posted are in plain English.Did the OP manipulate the law? In what way? Are you suggesting that officials only have to comply with the law if everyone else did?
So, either you are saying I am a law-breaker and ppl here try to assist me OR if this comment is not related to my post what are you on about, what's the point in picking on some other posters personally here, give us at least one example, would you! A link or smth which portrays such damn advice to law-breakers hiding on this site.keffers wrote:However, there is definitely hypocrisy by some posters who insist that the law is complied with by officials yet seek to assist law-breakers.
Pls, may I ask, in what eu country do you and your partner live? your answer may help others who wants to know if realy in practice people with reisdence card from other eu country can enter uk for a visit, thanks for your reply.giardaella wrote:I'm a NON-EU passport holder. Arrived today on 22 January with a EEA RC. Went to the EU Queue, just as you're supposed to.
A short lady wearing a muslim hijab looked at my passport and went:
Her: "Have you filled out the Landing Card?"
Me: "I'm an EEA Family Member, I'm not supposed to." and showed her the RC.
Her: "it doesn't matter, you still need to fill one out and go to the NON-EU queue"
Me: "I am NOT!!! are you new or something?"
Her: "NO! (rolling back the eyes) you're new, just got your RC recently!"
Me: "Listen, can you at least call your supervisor or someone who is more competent? and give me your name, need to complain"
Her: "No, we don't give names and I'm not calling a supervisor" So she started to shut her booth and just walked away!!!
At that stage I heard another guy shout from another booth smth like, "this is for EU only, go into the middle queue".
I saw another guy on the left, went up to him, he looked like he'd help. He just told me: "you've been dealt with sir, go into the NON-EU queue please."
Me: "are you ALL incompetent!!! I can't believe it!!!, I want to speak to someone, make a complaint"
Him: "after you've been rude, I'm not gonna serve you, you can make a complaint after and if you go through passport control"
Me: "I WILL make a complaint and I'm not being rude, saying that you're all incompetent and had no training is just stating the fact and not being insulting! And in any case, it's not as if I'm in a restaurant, if you guys don't serve me I can't just go to another restaurant, I still need to enter the country and what you're doing is ILLEGAL!"
Anyway, I decided to get through first so was looking at the endless middle queue. As I was approaching the queue I just decided to call one of the immigration officers there. I asked the guy if I could speak to a supervisor and when he'd approached me, explained what had happened.
He knew the law as it was and that I'm not meant to fill out a landing card (Art.24 Directive 2004/38- equal treatment) nor get a stamp in the passport (Reg.11 I think of 2006 Regulations) and got me through without queueing up.
The funny thing was, he wasn't logged in to his computer so asked a colleague to check my passport, that colleague guy checked the passport nd before I managed to say a word (presuming he also knew the rules) STAMPED it )) HAHAHA it's not a biggie, just a stamp, but I also told him that look mate, you're NOT meant to stamp it. He told me that they HAD A CHOICE!!! whether to stamp it, and they can do so on the first arrival?!!! It wasn't even my first arrival and they have NO BLOODY choice! The guy who was helping me (same rank so couldn't have a go at his colleague) also looked stunned, there he was trying to help etc. knows the rules and his colleague just stamped my passport illegally. Anyway, he tried to cover it by saying that people are still confused as to the rules. I told him it's not a new thing and requested to speak to the supervisor.
Long story short, the supervisor came, we went up to the guys at the EU queue to sort out what'd happened. As the immigratino officer girl wasn't there (prob on her break) I first called up the guy who shouted from the side booth.
In front of his supervisor I had a go at him smth like:
Me: "You were not even dealing with me, you never saw my papers and you're making a scene by shouting across the fllipping hall as if we're at a market. Whenever you see this RC in the future, let them through without a stamp or landing card"
He replied, struggling to speak English at all, I started to wonder how he'd got the job and if they employ HIS type, who do they reject???
Him: "I was just supporting my colleague who you'd been rude to, all I said was this is EU queue only"
Me: "Well, I don't have anyone to support me here, and moreover, she should be competent enough to handle situations on her own without your or anyone's intervention."
The supervisor stood there all this time and whenever I'd try to tell the guy off, he'd stop me and tell me to just explain what'd happened and he'd do the ticking off.
When done with this idiot, I asked him to find that short girl in a hijab. He brought her out, she apologised (don't think sincerely). I told her not to treat people with non-eu passports like 2nd class citizens and to call a supervisor if EVER in doubt, and at least listen to what people are telling her. Again, the supervisor stopped my telling off and just said that he'd deal with it. She rolled her eyes back again and walked off... just shows what she thought of all the fuss, but am sure she'd know what to do in the future. I took his shoulder number 2158 and he'd advised me to take Imm. Officers' numbers if I wanted to make complaints.
So, that was it today at Heathrow, sorry for the long post, got pissed off big time, NOT because I can't be asked to queue up with other people or fill out that landing card, or can't bear a stamp in my passport... No, but because that is how people's incompetence can mess up others' lives in any walk of life. Where they are in the position of authority and can blindly tell you to eff off, without listening. And you'd think this is not a new rule, it's been around since 2006, when UK implemented the Directive...
Anyway, don't know if it's worth to write a complaint to the UKBA and receive an apology AND carry that letter with me in the future...
The funny thing was that I had a copy of Directive & Regulations with me... but in the ckecked in baggage ))) so, I only got to it AFTER I'd passed immigratino control, but I'd never think I'd have to show it, all my previous recent experiences were fine, I always dealt with trained staff who knew what they were doing...
Lets not take this to another level. The EU directive prohibits fees for EEA applications, not just in the UK but throughout the EU. Its not an HO issue.shahzad80 wrote: I would also question why home office treats EEA citizen first class citizens?
Why they dont have to pay visa fees for their applications.
This is clearly discrimination and injustice in UK system.
Because EEA permit so this is not discrimination.HRY2005 wrote:Lets not take this to another level. The EU directive prohibitsh fees for EEA applications, not just in the UK but throughout the EU. Its not an HO issue.shahzad80 wrote: I would also question why home office treats EEA citizen first class citizens?
Why they dont have to pay visa fees for their applications.
This is clearly discrimination and injustice in UK system.
Ukdaddy wrote: which country u live in
[/quote]If this thread reaches 5 pages... I'll be ROFLing. For everyone out there who thinks i'm arrogant-YES! Who thinks i'm treatig myself first-class - YES! who bears a grudge cause people have their cakes and strangely want to eat them- YES! (same as saying, u can't have a wife and then shag her too). I love cakes! I am a big-deal maker, pick on the weak and suck up to the strong! Yes i was rude and i LOVED it cause i could and cause this is UK and not some 3rd world country where they'd just plant drugs in ur suitcase and ship u off to a local prison!!!! Everything u guys say- good, bad or evil... THAT'S ME!!!
A "don't try this at home" piece of advice. If u r one of those who gets into the same situation, unless u feel comfortable being extremely rude and obnoxious, just go into the middle queue... listen to music, watch a rubbish or read a book on ur IGadget (if u have one) while u r there, fill a landing card, get stamped on the forehead, y not? U r absolutely right, now that i am quasi eea national, i cant hang out with the lowly non-eu nationals. Losers
God it's sooo funny, keep posting guys, me and YOU- we r gonna make historyyyy,
well said bro.keffers wrote:OK we all now know giardaella likes cakes and likes to eat them - and takes colloquial sayings literally (or pretends not to understand what they mean).
Attitudes?
For several years after she acquired British Citizenship my wife did not apply for her British passport until her old one had run out.
Shock, horror! She had to queue up with and go through the channel with all the foreigners. My God! How did she survive? Should she have waived her naturalisation certificate about demanding to go through with the natives?
When I arrive in my own country I am asked where I have been. Should I tell the immigration officer to sod off and mind his own business as he can't stop me entering my own country - or should I smile, do what is requested of me and then carry on regardless?
giardaella doesn't have a chip on his shoulder - its more of a log.
I dont think you get where I was coming from. Injustice system!!! What? By the UK or the EU?shahzad80 wrote:Because EEA permit so this is not discrimination.
Thays way I called this injustice system.
Treating EEA as first class citizens and other second class citizens.
Shahzad
I was only responding to the above comments, not about 1st class or 2nd class!1. why home office treats EEA citizen first class citizens?
2. Why they dont have to pay visa fees for their applications.
3. injustice in UK system