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I know what you were getting at tvt, I was referring to the quote in my posting!tvt wrote:This subject is utterly not meant to be dearly beloved in any way. It just aims to show that whilst the UK targets its legitimate hardworking migrants it ignores the real problem of illegal migration. It also shows that in the UK it is more worthwhile to be an illegal immigrant rather than a legal one.
Legal migrants, who pay their taxes and cannot get any state help, are subject to many restrictions and their rights are being gradually worn out . Illegal migrants are not subject to any restrictions and can claim benefits as they wish.
One cannot have a discussion about immigration control without talking about beloved. The two are intimately linked to one another and anyone who denies this basic fact has got their heads stuck in the sand.AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did this become a 'dearly beloved' subject!!!!!
Guess what! I am a white South African and I have heard of many cases of WHITE south africans being turned back, or interviewed for much longer periods of time than normal! My own cousin was kept for 8 hours of 'interrogation'! and he was on an ancestral visaDawie wrote:One cannot have a discussion about immigration control without talking about beloved. The two are intimately linked to one another and anyone who denies this basic fact has got their heads stuck in the sand.AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How did this become a 'dearly beloved' subject!!!!!
Let me give you some background....
I am a white South African citizen who has ILR in the UK. South African citizens do not currently require a visa to enter the UK for tourism or business purposes. Before I obtained my work permit and eventually my ILR, I used to travel regularly to the UK from South Africa on business and NEVER had any problems getting into the UK as a business visitor. Just a few questions like "How long are you staying?" and "What is the purpose of your trip" and I was on my way.
I personally know 4 black South Africans who have travelled to the UK in exactly the same way that I have and who have been denied entry into the UK despite having everything in order. One regularly reads reports in the South African press about black South Africans being denied entry into the UK on arrival at Heathrow and suffering humiliation and degredation at the hands of UK immigration officials.
But....guess what? I've never heard of a white South African having any problem getting into the UK despite us having the EXACT same passport and rights as our fellow black citizens.
The only difference is the colour of our skin.
Another good reason why ID cards are a bad idea. If an illegal immigrant (including terrorist ones) can get an ID card this easily... what's the ID card scheme protecting us against again?They are treated just like any other EU nationals and able to work and claim benefits without any problem.
tvt wrote:Just look at that:
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/liv ... _a_source=
Why claim asylum if you could pose as an EU citizen and claim benefits straight away.
I have to agree with you re the illegals etc however, differ with you on British citizens finding it difficult. There are people milking the government and getting fat sums of money. I unintentionally heard a conversation between 2 people with one person asking the other if he has found a job. The person replied that the particular job was only offering £800 a month and that he was getting more than that on benefits.... so no, he would not be accepting it.........Dawie wrote:The real issue here is that because of the UK's pathetic immigration controls (in my case I use the word pathetic to emphasise that they are too strict, others might use the word pathetic to emphasise that they are not strict enough) many economic migrants are forced to claim asylum in the UK as the only avenue open to them to gain access to the UK's ecomony, forcing them underground to live the life of an illegal immigrant.
Contrary to popular belief, it is very difficult for even British citizens to claim benefit, let alone illegal immigrants who have no right to claim it. The tabloids will have you believe that every illegal immigrant in Britain is claiming unemployment benefit and living in a council house. This is of course simply not true.
Genuine asylum seekers (and bogus ones too) are forced into the welfare system and allowed to claim certain benefits because the government refuses to allow them to work. Tabloid newspapers then latch onto this and accuse them of being benefit scroungers when in reality it is the British government who forces them into this position. I can assure you that most asylum seekers would rather work an honest days labour than suffer the humilation of going cap in hand to the government.