NARIC letter not accepted

[kurianxl09]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

[sunmoon]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

No idea how come UKNARIC stated that PgD is equivalent to British taught Masters degree. Probably, the person of the NARIC who processed your equivalence certificate doesn't know about PgD and taught Masters degree in the UK. PgD and taught Masters is never equivalent.

[tall_funky]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

PgD and taught Masters is never equivalent.

That's not correct.

I know some foreign PGDBM's are equivalent to UK taught Masters. It all depends what you have done and from where!

Also, Few foreign PGDBM's are way way ahead in terms of quality and recognition when you compare them to taught masters awarded by bottom 95% UK Unis.

[sunmoon]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

PgD and taught Masters is never equivalent.

That's not correct.

I know some foreign PGDBM's are equivalent to UK taught Masters. It all depends what you have done and from where!

Also, Few foreign PGDBM's are way way ahead in terms of quality and recognition when you compare them to taught masters awarded by bottom 95% UK Unis.

Really ? Bottom 95% Unis, I never knew that.

[tall_funky]

Ask anyone about PGDBM's awarded by IIM's in India, you will know what I'm talking about!

I'm sure other countries must have their own equivalents.

[sunmoon]

Ask anyone about PGDBM's awarded by IIM's in India, you will know what I'm talking about!

I'm sure other countries must have their own equivalents.

What about MBM/MBA from IIM's ? How does NARIC recognize these degrees ?

[tall_funky]

Ask anyone about PGDBM's awarded by IIM's in India, you will know what I'm talking about!

I'm sure other countries must have their own equivalents.

What about MBM/MBA from IIM's ? How does NARIC recognize these degrees ?

I don't think they award MBA/MBM.

You can read more about IIM's here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ins ... Management

[sunmoon]

Ask anyone about PGDBM's awarded by IIM's in India, you will know what I'm talking about!

I'm sure other countries must have their own equivalents.

What about MBM/MBA from IIM's ? How does NARIC recognize these degrees ?

I don't think they award MBA/MBM.

You can read more about IIM's here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ins ... Management

From the link I can see they award MBA degree. Haven't you read the link ?

[tall_funky]

Ask anyone about PGDBM's awarded by IIM's in India, you will know what I'm talking about!

I'm sure other countries must have their own equivalents.

What about MBM/MBA from IIM's ? How does NARIC recognize these degrees ?

I don't think they award MBA/MBM.

You can read more about IIM's here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_Ins ... Management

From the link I can see they award MBA degree. Haven't you read the link ?

I did not but i've yet to meet a MBA from IIM's.

They might have started recently, if any!!

[geriatrix]

PGP is a MBA level, two-year, full time residential programme leading to a Post-Graduate Diploma in Management.

Likewise for other IIMs.

In India, MBA degree can only be awarded by Universities, not institutions.


regards

[sunmoon]

PGP is a MBA level, two-year, full time residential programme leading to a Post-Graduate Diploma in Management.

Likewise for other IIMs.

In India, MBA degree can only be awarded by Universities, not institutions.


regards

Thanks sushdmehta. Do you mean only MBAs or Masters degrees aswel ? I mean, to award a Masters degree, is it the same rules ?
Just to add, how come IIT , Delhi offers MBA program ?

[geriatrix]

UK NARIC letters are acceptable documentary evidence(s) for qualification(s) not listed in the PBS calculator.

If a given qualification is listed in the PBS, then an out-dated NARIC letter (issued long ago) may not be considered as NARIC assessment of overseas qualifications is a dynamic process and it is possible that a qualification which was considered equivalent to a certain level before is now no longer considered to be of the same level.

When refuting points awarded by PBS calculator for a listed qualification, it is important that the applicant submits a recently issued "statement of comparability" from NARIC.


This said, caseworkers are also known for their propensity to commit administrative errors in assessing applications! Such mistakes to not mean that acceptable evidences suddenly become unacceptable!


regards

[kurianxl09]

Sushd,
The NARIC letter was obtained just 2 months prior to applying for the Tier1 visa. So i presume it hasnt got anything to do with the the NARIC letter being outdated.

My Qualification is on the points based calculator but I still choose to get a letter from NARIC. The reason I did this is because
1. My certificate reads "Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management" and I didnt want to take chance with the assessor being confused.
2. The points calculator lets me choose my Institute for Bachelors as well as Masters degree. I know that my institute doesnt offer a Bachelors course. ( This is the case with the IIMs as well, it lets you choose PGDBM from IIM as a bachelors degree ).

So I thought , easy option i.e NARIC approves = UKBA approves , no messing with points calculator.

Is there any way I can write and ask for a clarification?

UK NARIC letters are acceptable documentary evidence(s) for qualification(s) not listed in the PBS calculator.

If a given qualification is listed in the PBS, then an out-dated NARIC letter (issued long ago) may not be considered as NARIC assessment of overseas qualifications is a dynamic process and it is possible that a qualification which was considered equivalent to a certain level before is now no longer considered to be of the same level.

When refuting points awarded by PBS calculator for a listed qualification, it is important that the applicant submits a recently issued "statement of comparability" from NARIC.


This said, caseworkers are also known for their propensity to commit administrative errors in assessing applications! Such mistakes to not mean that acceptable evidences suddenly become unacceptable!


regards

[geriatrix]

Do you mean only MBAs or Masters degrees aswel ? I mean, to award a Masters degree, is it the same rules ?

I know of MBA rules, not sure of the usual "masters" programmes (e.g. - MSc).

Just to add, how come IIT , Delhi offers MBA program ?

Because every IIT is an autonomous university in itself.


regards

[geriatrix]

The NARIC letter was obtained just 2 months prior to applying for the Tier1 visa. So i presume it hasnt got anything to do with the the NARIC letter being outdated.

My Qualification is on the points based calculator but I still choose to get a letter from NARIC. The reason I did this is because
1. My certificate reads "Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management" and I didnt want to take chance with the assessor being confused.
2. The points calculator lets me choose my Institute for Bachelors as well as Masters degree. I know that my institute doesnt offer a Bachelors course. ( This is the case with the IIMs as well, it lets you choose PGDBM from IIM as a bachelors degree ).

So I thought , easy option i.e NARIC approves = UKBA approves , no messing with points calculator.

Is there any way I can write and ask for a clarification?

It is quite possible that in your case there was an error of judgement by the caseworker / ECO. But the sad part is, that because your application was approved, you didn't have the option of an administrative review to ensure that they corrected their mistake and award you points for your PG degree as equivalent of UK masters.

I don't think "clarification" request will get any attention, but submitting a formal complaint to the issuing BHC regarding this oversight and error in judgement may get attention (and perhaps an appropriate response)!


regards

[sunmoon]

Do you mean only MBAs or Masters degrees aswel ? I mean, to award a Masters degree, is it the same rules ?

I know of MBA rules, not sure of the usual "masters" programmes (e.g. - MSc).

Just to add, how come IIT , Delhi offers MBA program ?

Because every IIT is an autonomous university in itself.


regards

IITs are autonomous Institute not University same as like IIMs

[kurianxl09]

Thanks everyone for the help. The forum was really useful in preparing the necessary documents for my application.
Sushd, I think I will submit a formal complaint to the BHC ( No idea how to do that but I shall figure it out).

Regards

The NARIC letter was obtained just 2 months prior to applying for the Tier1 visa. So i presume it hasnt got anything to do with the the NARIC letter being outdated.

My Qualification is on the points based calculator but I still choose to get a letter from NARIC. The reason I did this is because
1. My certificate reads "Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management" and I didnt want to take chance with the assessor being confused.
2. The points calculator lets me choose my Institute for Bachelors as well as Masters degree. I know that my institute doesnt offer a Bachelors course. ( This is the case with the IIMs as well, it lets you choose PGDBM from IIM as a bachelors degree ).

So I thought , easy option i.e NARIC approves = UKBA approves , no messing with points calculator.

Is there any way I can write and ask for a clarification?

It is quite possible that in your case there was an error of judgement by the caseworker / ECO. But the sad part is, that because your application was approved, you didn't have the option of an administrative review to ensure that they corrected their mistake and award you points for your PG degree as equivalent of UK masters.

I don't think "clarification" request will get any attention, but submitting a formal complaint to the issuing BHC regarding this oversight and error in judgement may get attention (and perhaps an appropriate response)!


regards

[geriatrix]

IITs are autonomous Institute not University same as like IIMs

(1C) The University of Roorkee, Roorkee shall, on such incorporation, be called the Institute of Technology, Roorkee

In 1961, by an act of Parliament, the Institute was declared an institution of national importance and was accorded the status of a university with power to award its own degrees and diplomas.

Search the internet or IIT websites for "Indian Institute of Technologies Act, 1961". Read it (and the associated annexes) and you'll find similar confirmations for each of the IITs.

Incidently, IIT Mumbai is the largest university in the state of Maharashtra.


regards

[sunmoon]

IITs are autonomous Institute not University same as like IIMs

(1C) The University of Roorkee, Roorkee shall, on such incorporation, be called the Institute of Technology, Roorkee

In 1961, by an act of Parliament, the Institute was declared an institution of national importance and was accorded the status of a university with power to award its own degrees and diplomas.

Search the internet or IIT websites for "Indian Institute of Technologies Act, 1961". Read it (and the associated annexes) and you'll find similar confirmations for each of the IITs.

Incidently, IIT Mumbai is the largest university in the state of Maharashtra.


regards

Thanks Mr Mehta for the clarification

[abhijitrunwal]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

Hi
do you always receive a letter if you apply from home country stating your points. i dont have the letter as i never recieved it. or one just receives the letter if one has some discreapancy. i am asking this question because i have appointment on 12th and have only 95 points required. if i dont get points on my masters degree i will not getbtier1 extension. also when i submitted my masters degree last time i had also submitted bachelors degree so i dont dont know for which degree i got points, as i had more than enough points last time i did not care about 5 points more or less.
now i need 35 points for masters degree which is on pbs. does the caseworker gives points for what is on the form or what u have submitted, as in this case they consirdered your bachelors. if they have mistakenly given points to my bacehlors can i fight now for my masters degree which is on pbs.
thanks




PgD and taught Masters is never equivalent.

That's not correct.

I know some foreign PGDBM's are equivalent to UK taught Masters. It all depends what you have done and from where!

Also, Few foreign PGDBM's are way way ahead in terms of quality and recognition when you compare them to taught masters awarded by bottom 95% UK Unis.

[abhijitrunwal]

Hi,
I applied for Tier1 General(initial application) in Nov 2010. I claimed 35 points for my PGDBM ( Post Graduate Diploma in Business Management) Qualification with a letter from NARIC stating it to equivalent to British taught Masters Programme.
I submitted my Bachelors degree for English Language points.
But I was awarded only 30 points and in the letter from UKBA it states that
can only award points for bachelors of engineering as our PBS does not award points for your post graduate diploma.
Well I got my Tier1 approved as my points from other heads added up but wanted to let everyone know that NARIC letter may not be considered.

What I dont understand is why NARIC considers this equivalent to British taught Masters Degree and not UKBA.

do you always receive a letter if you apply from home country stating your points. i dont have the letter as i never recieved it. or one just receives the letter if one has some discreapancy. i am asking this question because i have appointment on 12th and have only 95 points required. if i dont get points on my masters degree i will not getbtier1 extension. also when i submitted my masters degree last time i had also submitted bachelors degree so i dont dont know for which degree i got points, as i had more than enough points last time i did not care about 5 points more or less.
now i need 35 points for masters degree which is on pbs. does the caseworker gives points for what is on the form or what u have submitted, as in this case they consirdered your bachelors. if they have mistakenly given points to my bacehlors can i fight now for my masters degree which is on pbs.