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They may locate his entry stamp into South Africa but they still cannot prove that he arrived in SA from the UK as there will be no record of him leaving the UK. He could just as easily have arrived from Mozambique or Mongolia.Although, he might have left the UK without any check (it is usual), his passport would have been endosored with SA immigration stamp on arrival in SA (or any other country upon leaving the UK). Entry clearnce officer will/may locate this during application process.
So it is very difficult to hide information.
Yes but wouldn't there be an entry stamp for Mozambique or Mongolia then?!Dawie wrote:They may locate his entry stamp into South Africa but they still cannot prove that he arrived in SA from the UK as there will be no record of him leaving the UK. He could just as easily have arrived from Mozambique or Mongolia.Although, he might have left the UK without any check (it is usual), his passport would have been endosored with SA immigration stamp on arrival in SA (or any other country upon leaving the UK). Entry clearnce officer will/may locate this during application process.
So it is very difficult to hide information.
Maybe, maybe not. As anyone who has travelled will know, there could be any number of reasons for a missing stamp from your passport. My passport is full of journeys that look half completed because of immigration officials that have either been too lazy, too busy or just not present to stamp my passport. I have even entered the Schengen zone (and I require a visa for the Schengen zone) and not had my passport stamped either on arrival or departure. This has especially happened when entering France from the UK via the Dover ferry as well as flying into various Spanish airports where the immigration officials are half asleep.Yes but wouldn't there be an entry stamp for Mozambique or Mongolia then?!
And the point I am trying to make is there is more ways than one to determine if you have overstayed or not.Dawie wrote: My point is this....there is no way that a UK immigration official can know where you have been if there is no stamp to prove it. Sure, you can talk about databases and records etc, but what are they going to do? Contact every country in the world to prove or disprove what you've told them? Do you think they have that much time on their hands?
Sorry, I am kinda lost a bit here. What application? Fiance application?kate30 wrote: Speaking to a SA/UK immigration specialist we have been advised to withdraw the application as it will almost definately be refused once we have given his visa history and that in itself will cause probs!
There is no such thing as a departure stamp from the UK. The UK does not perform embarkation checks and therefore does not stamp the passports of people leaving the country.Not sure if I made it clear, he departed on his new passport so has departure stamp from UK but not entry stamp/visa.
They always write that generally speaking the refusal decision will not prejudice future application should you wish to apply at a later date.kate30 wrote: If we do continue this application and have it refused do you know whether that will cause a problem with future visa applications, I seem to be getting mixed messages.
DONT VOLUNTEER INFORMATION UNLESS IT IS REQUESTED FORkate30 wrote:I was led to believe that they could refuse purely due to the overstay by one advisor and then the person I spoke to today contradicted this......aaarrrggghhh.
Its all too confusing!!
Today I have found out that they can't refuse the fiance visa on the grounds of his overstay previously, due to it being an entirely new application on a settlement visa. They can only refuse if they believe the actual application itself is lacking in evidence.
I have new hope, my partner is going to be totally honest and list his visa history and submit this. Then we will see what they say.
I would second that. What is it about immigration forms that turns everyone into a blabbering idiot that's just been injected with truth serum?DONT VOLUNTEER INFORMATION UNLESS IT IS REQUESTED FOR
That's the thing! Advisors know nothing! This forum is your best advisor, for free and for ever. Because we all have read so many posts here, so many different stories and been through so many situations ourselves that the best knowledge is treasured here!kate30 wrote:I was led to believe that they could refuse purely due to the overstay by one advisor and then the person I spoke to today contradicted this......aaarrrggghhh.
Its all too confusing!!
Today I have found out that they can't refuse the fiance visa on the grounds of his overstay previously, due to it being an entirely new application on a settlement visa. They can only refuse if they believe the actual application itself is lacking in evidence.
I have new hope, my partner is going to be totally honest and list his visa history and submit this. Then we will see what they say.
Congs and all the best for the future..kate30 wrote:Hey guys,
Just wanted to let you know the good news, the lost passport was found, in the back of a dark drawer in Jo'Burg and we got the news today that it has all been approved, my partner has the visa in his passport, in his hand as we speak.......................................
No interview, no questions, i think we have been very lucky.
What can I say, THANK YOU for all the advice, I can't tell you how much it helped.