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They didn't risk their lives for the UK, they've risked their lives for Tony Blair and George Bush. Hardly a noble achievement. Work permit holders are far more deserving of early ILR.These guys have risked their life for the UK. They should have qualified earlier than 4 years.
Well saidDawie wrote:They didn't risk their lives for the UK, they've risked their lives for Tony Blair and George Bush. Hardly a noble achievement. Work permit holders are far more deserving of early ILR.These guys have risked their life for the UK. They should have qualified earlier than 4 years.
Do you have proof of this? And what sort of numbers are we talking about here? I doubt they are just 'sitting out' I'm sure they could get called up to active duty at any time, Iraq or Afghanistan.rooi_ding wrote:This is deliberate discrimination as these soldiers are in the army sitting out there four years and then applying for ILR just like the WP HSMP's and AV's were doing.
Err...I'm sorry, remind me again, what exactly are they defending us against? Just as well we have them over in the middle east to stop those pesky innocent Iraqis and Afghans from invading us!Despite what anyone thinks, these people are willing to defend the queen and country so that people like us (including you) can enjoy the benefits of immigrating and living in a country like the UK. Perhaps one year less on ILR is not enough for people like this?
Sorry mate wasn't being specific about who they were defending us against, just making a point that they are willing to defend the queen and country. However if you feel we need to be protected from 'those pesky innocent Iraqis and Afghans' then thats your opinion.Dawie wrote:Err...I'm sorry, remind me again, what exactly are they defending us against? Just as well we have them over in the middle east to stop those pesky innocent Iraqis and Afghans from invading us!Despite what anyone thinks, these people are willing to defend the queen and country so that people like us (including you) can enjoy the benefits of immigrating and living in a country like the UK. Perhaps one year less on ILR is not enough for people like this?
Dawie wrote:I hope you're talking about WW1 and WW2 veterans.I think most UK citizens would place veterans on a slightly higher plane than other migrants.
Now I've calmed down a bit I'd like to add I've no problems with race, immigration, etc my gf is Asian (that's why I'm here) but it's just not common decency the play 'the it's not fair' card or spout 'discrimination' when someone else is getting a little bit extra.RobinLondon wrote:Rooi Ding-
Wanderer's response would be typical of most UK citizens' response to your argument, I think/fear.
As for your whole EU-alignment tack, I think the Government's position would be that they are only implementing this change for economic migrants, which I believe is the context of the EU's regulations. If you noticed, there was no change to the residency requirements for spouses of UK citizens, for instance. I think the Government would make the case that as guardians of the nation's defence, members of HM forces are not economic migrants in the pure sense, hence the exemption.
Again, I'm just trying to consider others' positions. It is a political process after all.
Wanderer wrote: people freshly in the country bleating on about 'it's not fair' and quoting 'rights'.
If you don't like it why not go home?
Steve
What pisses me off even more is when UK citizens start moaning about migrants expressing their views and asserting their rights. We're here, we're not going away, so deal with it.I'm sorry but what pisses me off is people freshly in the country bleating on about 'it's not fair' and quoting 'rights'.
that's a typical reaction from a british citizen. i saw a lot of those on the BBC website. they say it even before they look into this matter. they don't really know what's going on. they just simply say "GET OUT! YOU IMMIGRANTS!" i really feel sorry that it's the reaction from the citizens of a nation used to be gent and just.Wanderer wrote:If you don't like it why not go home?