Good News from FG and Labour Coalition for citizenship

dublintogalway · Post by **dublintogalway** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:22 pm

Hi Guys,

See the below link from government:-

http://www.rte.ie/news/2011/0306/progra ... rnment.pdf

Passports, Citizenship, Immigration and Asylum
We will introduce comprehensive reforms of the immigration, residency and asylum
systems, which will include a statutory appeals system and set out rights and obligations
in a transparent way.
We will provide for the efficient processing and determination of citizenship applications
within a reasonable time.
Consideration will be given to transferring the passport service from the Department of
Foreign Affairs to the Department of Justice to operate as an Independent Executive
Agency under the aegis of that Department.

ostrich · Post by **ostrich** » Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:30 pm

Good news, me think

IRISH PHAROE · Post by **IRISH PHAROE** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:27 am

but there is no timeframe mentioned yet for this reform.
may be it will be ok for the immigrants who will apply in 3 or 4 years time.
but for us who applied 2 years ago we still traped in this old,ineffiecient system.

Southern_Sky · Post by **Southern_Sky** » Mon Mar 07, 2011 10:55 am

Hmm, not sure whether its really an improvement. Will have to wait & see.
The main bottleneck and delays are with the processing of applications by INIS (which is a section of the Dept. of Justice.)
In contrast the Passport Service (which is currently part of the Dept. of Foreign Affairs) is a very timely/efficient operation.

9jeirean · Post by **9jeirean** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:30 pm

Consideration will be given to transferring the passport service from the Department of Foreign Affairs to the Department of Justice to operate as an Independent Executive Agency under the aegis of that Department

Looks like the incoming government has a big challenge on their hands. Already we have seen the passport office changing the requirement for issuance of Irish passports to naturalized Irish citizens. This is an unnecessary duplication and perpetuation of dogmatic civil service bureaucracy. The exact opposite of what it appears the incoming government is trying to do. Time will tell if the FG/LB government has the 'balls' to root out this problem.

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:36 pm

9jeirean wrote:
Consideration will be given to transferring the passport service from the Department of Foreign Affairs to the Department of Justice to operate as an Independent Executive Agency under the aegis of that Department
Looks like the incoming government has a big challenge on their hands. Already we have see the passport office changing the requirement for issuance of Irish passports to naturalized Irish citizens. This is an unnecessary duplication and perpetuation of dogmatic civil service bureaucracy. The exact opposite of what it appears the incoming government is trying to do. Time will tell if the FG/LB government has the 'balls' to root out this problem.

The new requirements are applicable to not just naturalised citizens but any first time adult applicants (although I do agree that naturalised citizens will be the most impacted!)

9jeirean · Post by **9jeirean** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:57 pm

strongbow wrote: The new requirements are applicable to not just naturalised citizens but any first time adult applicants.

Yes strongbow it applies to all. I understand the need to prevent fraud, identity theft and all. However, naturalized applicants however are been requested to get their birth certificate attested by their embassies
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=160

The DoJ goes through a thorough verification of applicants identity and all during the naturalization process. Most of these things are already submitted to the DoJ. The point is, if the system is integrated, which it should be, there will be no need to ask people to reverify themselves over and over again as all necessary verification informations and codes follow the applicant through out their journey in the system. The status quo is an unnecessary waste of public service time and money IMO.

9jeirean

strongbow · Post by **strongbow** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:58 pm

Yes strongbow it applies to all. I understand the need to prevent fraud and identity theft and all. However, naturalized applicants however are been requested to get their birth certificate attested by their embassies
http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewto ... &start=160

The DoJ goes through a thorough verification of applicants identity and all during the naturalization process. Most of these things are already submitted to the DoJ. The point is, if the system is integrated, which it should be, there will be no need to ask people to reverify themselves over and over again. It is an unnecessary waste of public service time and money IMO.

Agreed!!

Wisco · Post by **Wisco** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:33 pm

Politicians are all good at talking. I find they're less good at actually doing.
I'll believe in reforms when I see them being implemented successfully.

Wisco · Post by **Wisco** » Tue Mar 08, 2011 4:34 pm

Duplicate post deleted. Sorry.

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Good News from FG and Labour Coalition for citizenship

Good News from FG and Labour Coalition for citizenship