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Its all the same, as before, that post about an announcement next week was worthless, the reason why they are speculating next week is cause it will be 6 weeks since the consultation, so technically it can be as early as next week, the times higher education website were just speculating on that, but usually before government gives an annoucements, they leak it to the media, that happened with the tier 2 cap, last tuesday at my uni there was a senior analyst form the department of business and skills, and she said the discussions about the student visas are still not there yet, and even if they announce them on monday they would only come into effect in april, and there are ALWAYS transitional arrangements, so worse case if unis loose the battle in keeping PSW open, they will the very least secure decent TA for current students...jlewisunh wrote:I emailed my uni and they said they had not heard of a pending announcement next week. Who knows what's going on. This is getting maddening.
Yes... which is exactly what we want. Even so, I don't think there will be an announcement next week... seems it's still ongoing.tusso wrote:Its all the same, as before, that post about an announcement next week was worthless, the reason why they are speculating next week is cause it will be 6 weeks since the consultation, so technically it can be as early as next week, the times higher education website were just speculating on that, but usually before government gives an annoucements, they leak it to the media, that happened with the tier 2 cap, last tuesday at my uni there was a senior analyst form the department of business and skills, and she said the discussions about the student visas are still not there yet, and even if they announce them on monday they would only come into effect in april, and there are ALWAYS transitional arrangements, so worse case if unis loose the battle in keeping PSW open, they will the very least secure decent TA for current students...jlewisunh wrote:I emailed my uni and they said they had not heard of a pending announcement next week. Who knows what's going on. This is getting maddening.
They can't do that or rather very unlikely that they will do such thing.jlewisunh wrote:I was just thinking...what are the odds that they announce something like: if you are currently on a psw visa either inside the uk without work (looking for a job at current time) or outside the uk with psw visa planning on coming to look for work, the transitional arrangement will be that you can still use the visa but you have NO opportunity to go to tier 2'? only those currently on psw who are already working will have this option. is this even possible?
yea but in all due respect that is a pretty weak counter argument. they'd tell the employer to prove that the position HAD to be filled by a migrant. i think a better case could be made by us, as the rules that were in place AT THE TIME of applying need to be given to us. one of these rules was the ability to transfer to tier 2 on this visa.arsenal49 wrote:They can't do that or rather very unlikely that they will do such thing.jlewisunh wrote:I was just thinking...what are the odds that they announce something like: if you are currently on a psw visa either inside the uk without work (looking for a job at current time) or outside the uk with psw visa planning on coming to look for work, the transitional arrangement will be that you can still use the visa but you have NO opportunity to go to tier 2'? only those currently on psw who are already working will have this option. is this even possible?
Employers would be furious as they can argue, legally in my view, that they employed(or looked to employ) someone on psw, whatever the case maybe, because they knew that they could sponsor psw holders down the road!
well, thats what i think...
Yeah I agree, as for changes, I have been looking at the response of the consultation from the Russell Group, Universities UK, the NUS and some think tanks. For PSW, changes that seem likely is that it might be restricted to Masters students, might be reduced in time, though this was only expressed by willets and damian green not on these responses, and all of them urge the government that even if changes ought to be implemented, current students should get TA... and damian green has said current students will be taken into consideration, so lets hope for the bestfibreman wrote:Guys, don't worry, I don't think they will cut psw tier 2 possibility...
It makes no sense at all, besides arguments given, bear in mind that:
To EVEN get Tier 2, u need to earn x salary, have to have occupation on list and so on, and with all this true, u can no way be burden for economy etc.
Tier 2 has strong conditions anyway, as said, so there might be people on psw, who still won't be able to satisfy those anyway.
No need to cut this anyway.
As for psw, I'm quite convinced now, that even announcements will not be immediate.
tusso wrote:Yeah I agree, as for changes, I have been looking at the response of the consultation from the Russell Group, Universities UK, the NUS and some think tanks. For PSW, changes that seem likely is that it might be restricted to Masters students, might be reduced in time, though this was only expressed by willets and damian green not on these responses, and all of them urge the government that even if changes ought to be implemented, current students should get TA... and damian green has said current students will be taken into consideration, so lets hope for the bestfibreman wrote:Guys, don't worry, I don't think they will cut psw tier 2 possibility...
It makes no sense at all, besides arguments given, bear in mind that:
To EVEN get Tier 2, u need to earn x salary, have to have occupation on list and so on, and with all this true, u can no way be burden for economy etc.
Tier 2 has strong conditions anyway, as said, so there might be people on psw, who still won't be able to satisfy those anyway.
No need to cut this anyway.
As for psw, I'm quite convinced now, that even announcements will not be immediate.
By law they cant hide them, though they will only be published once the government does the final proposals to these, I think these will only published once the home affairs committee publishes its report so we'll see... What I know in relation to PSW cause I saw a debate on the house lords is that there was almost universal consensus about how PSW should NOT be removed, but again there they said that it should probably be for Masters and PHD students, but then again transitional arrangements were asked for current students, in the very worse case students graduating THIS YEARfibreman wrote:tusso wrote:Yeah I agree, as for changes, I have been looking at the response of the consultation from the Russell Group, Universities UK, the NUS and some think tanks. For PSW, changes that seem likely is that it might be restricted to Masters students, might be reduced in time, though this was only expressed by willets and damian green not on these responses, and all of them urge the government that even if changes ought to be implemented, current students should get TA... and damian green has said current students will be taken into consideration, so lets hope for the bestfibreman wrote:Guys, don't worry, I don't think they will cut psw tier 2 possibility...
It makes no sense at all, besides arguments given, bear in mind that:
To EVEN get Tier 2, u need to earn x salary, have to have occupation on list and so on, and with all this true, u can no way be burden for economy etc.
Tier 2 has strong conditions anyway, as said, so there might be people on psw, who still won't be able to satisfy those anyway.
No need to cut this anyway.
As for psw, I'm quite convinced now, that even announcements will not be immediate.
Well, all is possible, but I have no money for Masters now... lol. Whatever they change, I graduate now, and many of us graduate this year or soon after- we need to be excluded.
Otherwise, we need to go to court asap. They might well say, reduce to phd... but what for us finishing our degree level currently?
Cutting the period is idiotic... 1 year psw? Sorry, no employer will take u for anything else than to scrub the floor... too little time to invest more.
BTW, any results of consultation? can we see the answers? Or is the govt HIDING them as they are not what they wanted?
We must be ready for court if needed...a lot is at stake, years of our lives, enormous money we put in here and more...
Tusso, I think we'll be fine... in the end... but if some of these stupid ideas pass, it will be a blow to uk education.tusso wrote:By law they cant hide them, though they will only be published once the government does the final proposals to these, I think these will only published once the home affairs committee publishes its report so we'll see... What I know in relation to PSW cause I saw a debate on the house lords is that there was almost universal consensus about how PSW should NOT be removed, but again there they said that it should probably be for Masters and PHD students, but then again transitional arrangements were asked for current students, in the very worse case students graduating THIS YEARfibreman wrote:tusso wrote:Yeah I agree, as for changes, I have been looking at the response of the consultation from the Russell Group, Universities UK, the NUS and some think tanks. For PSW, changes that seem likely is that it might be restricted to Masters students, might be reduced in time, though this was only expressed by willets and damian green not on these responses, and all of them urge the government that even if changes ought to be implemented, current students should get TA... and damian green has said current students will be taken into consideration, so lets hope for the bestfibreman wrote:Guys, don't worry, I don't think they will cut psw tier 2 possibility...
It makes no sense at all, besides arguments given, bear in mind that:
To EVEN get Tier 2, u need to earn x salary, have to have occupation on list and so on, and with all this true, u can no way be burden for economy etc.
Tier 2 has strong conditions anyway, as said, so there might be people on psw, who still won't be able to satisfy those anyway.
No need to cut this anyway.
As for psw, I'm quite convinced now, that even announcements will not be immediate.
Well, all is possible, but I have no money for Masters now... lol. Whatever they change, I graduate now, and many of us graduate this year or soon after- we need to be excluded.
Otherwise, we need to go to court asap. They might well say, reduce to phd... but what for us finishing our degree level currently?
Cutting the period is idiotic... 1 year psw? Sorry, no employer will take u for anything else than to scrub the floor... too little time to invest more.
BTW, any results of consultation? can we see the answers? Or is the govt HIDING them as they are not what they wanted?
We must be ready for court if needed...a lot is at stake, years of our lives, enormous money we put in here and more...
Nothing is out about PSW changes lol, if it was it would have been all over the place, especially now with the internet rumours or leaks get spread out so quick, I think the thing you could have possibly heard of is that proposed changes for raising the fee for visas, and in that document PSW is included, and yeah the rise of visa fee starts on april 6thcruxifixo wrote:Can guys pls ask and look around cos i heard a document is out stating the new changes in PSW visa and is effective April, 2011. I cant find d document anywhere and i personally suspect is a kind of rumour. I will b good if you all can do some homework in that regard.
have you searched wikileaks?cruxifixo wrote:Can guys pls ask and look around cos i heard a document is out stating the new changes in PSW visa and is effective April, 2011. I cant find d document anywhere and i personally suspect is a kind of rumour. I will b good if you all can do some homework in that regard.
You are clearly mistaken and I urge you to refrain from posting this information. There is no way whatsoever that the government would give psw to ONLY undergraduates. This should be very clear by now. The consultation even proposed a question on whether or not to limit psw to just PhD students. PhD students and MA students, on average, tend to have higher earning than just undergrads. Why would the government even remotely want to prohibit these people from remaining in the UK. Your uni is suggesting that the 'best and brightest' are actually undergrads rather than grad students. It is a ridiculous notion that needs to be put down. If I were you, I would be alarmed at the false information coming out of your university.sehmett wrote:NO! I mean PSW only for undegrads! That's what I was told by uni. This info came from the meeting with the government. However, it was just a proposal from the government. Another proposal was to issue PSW for undegrads and Masters but not for PhD. That's why I am even more angry! I am a PhD student.jlewisunh wrote:MA and PhD only, as psw for undergrads would make no sense (in the view of the HO)tusso wrote:sorry i didnt get ur last post, u mean only allowing masters and phds for PSW? or only undergrads?sehmett wrote:Does not matter what changes they do. We demand only TA for the current students!!