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Hi ca.funke, it appears that she would have to relinquish her German citizenship in order to take up the Irish citizenship. More so, it would appear she knew this all along. Whatever her scenarios was appears to forbid her from keeping both citizenships. Here's a few quote that I think are worthy of note:ca.funke wrote: Just to complete everything, once Irish, she should either not forget to renew her German passport or renounce her German nationality, but not just ignore that part.
“I have always held a German passport because you can only have one....."
Ms Dubsky said when she realised the situation, she rushed to complete all the necessary documentation to take up Irish citizenship and revoke her German passport.
At least since some time around summer 2006 it´s allowed to have as many EU-nationalities (+Switzerland) as you want.9jeirean wrote:What do you think?
Google tells me that, in fact, Turkey offers a choice and does also allow dual nationality (in contrast to Germany in that case). Iran, however, does so although this is obviously not voluntary because it forces foreign law on a citizen and doesn't give the woman a choice. I would think the woman would still be considered a German citizen in the eyes of the Germans.ca.funke wrote:
- If a woman marries a Turkish man, she is automatically granted Turkish nationality. (not vice versa!)
- In German law, you automatically loose German nationality, if you "voluntarily" accept a nationality outside the EU+Switzerland
- As a result, a German woman marrying a Turkish man looses German citizenship, but may still be in possession of her German passport...
ca.funke wrote:At least since some time around summer 2006 it´s allowed to have as many EU-nationalities (+Switzerland) as you want.9jeirean wrote:What do you think?
Before that, at least in Germany, you had to apply for a special permission from the German government "Beibehaltungsgenehmigung" to be allowed to take up any nationality without loosing the German nationality.
To get this permission you had to write an essay outlining why you want the other nationality, but at the same time still feel eligible for German nationality.
I know this for a fact since I applied for this myself, as I wanted to turn Belgian but keep my German nationality.
I succeeded and am now Belgian and German, that was in April 2006.
I remember reading a few months later that this process was abolished for EU (+Switzerland) nationalities that you may want to obtain, however for all other nationalities this is still applicable today.
Relevant to the newspapercase discussed, I know a person personally who was born, in Germany, to a German father and an Irish mother in 1976. He´s been German and Irish since he was born, so I assume it was possible to be a dual national even long before this, but I don´t know about the law at that time...
Hi 86ti,86ti wrote:Google tells me that, in fact, Turkey offers a choice and does also allow dual nationality (in contrast to Germany in that case). Iran, however, does so although this is obviously not voluntary because it forces foreign law on a citizen and doesn't give the woman a choice. I would think the woman would still be considered a German citizen in the eyes of the Germans.
Also, a non EU/Swiss national who can't renounce citizenship would never be able to obtain German citizenship if your first point would be absolutely true. I guess there would be exceptions in law too.
There is just one obvious problem if this formal procedure would have to be followed: when the woman doesn't know or understand...ca.funke wrote:EDIT: Just read your Iranian point. In this case the German woman would have to get the >>Beibehaltungsgenehmigung as per my previous post<< by the German government before marrying, otherwise she´d be Iranian only. I guess it would be granted without complications (the point is obvious), however I have no practial experience in this.
Just as the newspaperarticle shows, it´s always unfortunate if you don´t know something that concerns you.86ti wrote:There is just one obvious problem if this formal procedure would have to be followed: when the woman doesn't know or understand...
Just read through this thread again. The "revoke her German passport"-part is obviously nonsense as well:irishtimes wrote:Ms Dubsky said when she realised the situation, she rushed to complete all the necessary documentation to take up Irish citizenship and revoke her German passport.