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Please guys its time to unit, PSW for all current students doesn’t matter when they Graduating. Pressurize you Universities and Colleges as I am doing the same. I mailed to MPs other Government officials, I even mailed to Yvette Cooper the shadow home secretary but she replied:sehmett wrote:For those who are NOT graduating this year:
The International Department of my uni said that PSW will close 2012 BUT the changes may be made before that. They believe that universities still can fight back psw. Most unis are in troubles now. The troubles will become visible in september when many students will not enroll. The government promised to unis that they will watch the situation and continue to discuss the issue with universities. So, by the April 2012 the decision can be changed.
You can fight from your side, too - lawers, petitions, facebook group etc.
I would say there are lot in our boat just need to find them. Besides we are not asking for charity or we haven’t claim benefit or free education. We spend our money on this education; how a Government can be civilize if they don’t care about their own surveys, consultation and other a lot of pro-student voices.quadophile wrote:Iam also one of those who will be graduating next year in May 2012 ......what are the chances that this psw change can be challenged in court and we can win this, as we are not new students????
I absolutely agree with you and would like to add here that come Feb 2012, Uni’s and this govt. will be on their knees asking for more Int. students. They will really see the full impact of these draconian changes and hopefully will be rolling back some of these changes including PSW visa.sehmett wrote:Most unis are in troubles now. The troubles will become visible in september when many students will not enroll. The government promised to unis that they will watch the situation and continue to discuss the issue with universities. So, by the April 2012 the decision can be changed.
You can fight from your side, too - lawers, petitions, facebook group etc.
Finding them is the ONLY problem because if you look at the survey, approx. 20000 took part of the total 600000 Int. students(Coservative estimate by any standard's).Tier 4 wrote:I would say there are lot in our boat just need to find them.quadophile wrote:Iam also one of those who will be graduating next year in May 2012 ......what are the chances that this psw change can be challenged in court and we can win this, as we are not new students????
I noticed that in my uni there are a lot of adverts and leaflets about the current changes. They encourage students to meet and unite to discuss the future plans and actions. I think it's the best way to find students. It's dificult to meet when you are in different towns but at least to meet in a FB group is possible to see how many people will join. Then, it will be easier to plan...Aryan2013 wrote:Finding them is the ONLY problem because if you look at the survey, approx. 20000 took part of the total 600000 Int. students(Coservative estimate by any standard's).Tier 4 wrote:I would say there are lot in our boat just need to find them.quadophile wrote:Iam also one of those who will be graduating next year in May 2012 ......what are the chances that this psw change can be challenged in court and we can win this, as we are not new students????
This is a joke, guys... almost 70% disagree with closing PSW, and it is closed? Only 6% were for closing it... Why was there a consultation, then?tusso wrote:This is the link of the consultation results, in case anyone is interested:
http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... /students/
The message they give is: Come but we'll treat you like shit, and please leave as soon as possible...ginger_beer wrote:my logic is, if the UK doesn't welcome graduates to stay .. then there's no reason to force it. Plenty of other places that would welcome skilled & educated people. Leave the UK to take care of its own people first (as rightly expected!)
I agree, but some lucky ones won't lose much... with PSW still up, it will be possible to switch to Tier 2 if needed after some time, so it still works.ginger_beer wrote:my logic is, if the UK doesn't welcome graduates to stay .. then there's no reason to force it. Plenty of other places that would welcome skilled & educated people. Leave the UK to take care of its own people first (as rightly expected!)
yeah .. exactly. International students are not stupid (hopefully!) not to receive this message. As mentioned in earlier posts, enrollment will likely drop. The question is just whether the drop is significant enough to make a u-turn in the policy possibletusso wrote:The message they give is: Come but we'll treat you like shit, and please leave as soon as possible...ginger_beer wrote:my logic is, if the UK doesn't welcome graduates to stay .. then there's no reason to force it. Plenty of other places that would welcome skilled & educated people. Leave the UK to take care of its own people first (as rightly expected!)
I don't think there will be a turn, until new govt comes... problem is, we can't get our money back, either, even though they can change rules arbitrarily anyday...ginger_beer wrote:yeah .. exactly. International students are not stupid (hopefully!) not to receive this message. As mentioned in earlier posts, enrollment will likely drop. The question is just whether the drop is significant enough to make a u-turn in the policy possibletusso wrote:The message they give is: Come but we'll treat you like shit, and please leave as soon as possible...ginger_beer wrote:my logic is, if the UK doesn't welcome graduates to stay .. then there's no reason to force it. Plenty of other places that would welcome skilled & educated people. Leave the UK to take care of its own people first (as rightly expected!)
Political populism, nothing else... 10, 20 thousand students aren't even a drop in the sea of immigration... and besides, PSW is not a permanent route unless you switch further.Unikid wrote:i don't think there will be a U-turn too. I worried british will become conservatism and populism, and it will hard to touch by international peoples.
This is the whole point; I can’t believe, how come not any law organisation or so-called migration right raised their voice? This is a perfect victory case against government. No wonder why Universities agree on that:fibreman wrote: This is a joke, guys... almost 70% disagree with closing PSW, and it is closed? Only 6% were for closing it... Why was there a consultation, then?
As per Penningtons, if consultation results are not taken into account when makign a decision, we have a clear case in courts.Tier 4 wrote:This is the whole point; I can’t believe, how come not any law organisation or so-called migration right raised their voice? This is a perfect victory case against government. No wonder why Universities agree on that:fibreman wrote: This is a joke, guys... almost 70% disagree with closing PSW, and it is closed? Only 6% were for closing it... Why was there a consultation, then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12880840
Yes, I agree with Penningtons analysis and I'm sure, if we can contact all the affected students, we can win in the court hands down. The problem is how to mobilise these affected students??fibreman wrote:As per Penningtons, if consultation results are not taken into account when makign a decision, we have a clear case in courts.Tier 4 wrote:This is the whole point; I can’t believe, how come not any law organisation or so-called migration right raised their voice? This is a perfect victory case against government. No wonder why Universities agree on that:fibreman wrote: This is a joke, guys... almost 70% disagree with closing PSW, and it is closed? Only 6% were for closing it... Why was there a consultation, then?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-12880840
Here, it is obvious, we were ignored altogether.
I contacted Pennington but haven’t got reply; I probably contact other law firms as well at some point. But seem it’s all over now. Feeling sad as we could win this case but apparently majority of students applying before April 2012 so no one care to protest at all.Aryan2013 wrote:Yes, I agree with Penningtons analysis and I'm sure, if we can contact all the affected students, we can win in the court hands down. The problem is how to mobilise these affected students??
Dude time has been change in 11 years, world is more fragile in last decade, and west has a big part as a player in it. International students want more than just degree. This is how it works now days. Besides Home office is lenient to shame marriages, over stayed peoples, asylum seeker, bogus students, bogus work permits, etc etc ….bobobo wrote:I have been following this post quite religiously as one of my close mates was himself worried about this. As a third person who is not affected by these changes at all I would like to add my 2 cents. I realise that the decision to stop PSW did come as a shock to most of you but again I reckon the HO has given 1 year as TA, they could have just closed this from 06 April 2011, but they didnt. Some of yopu might be finishing in May 2012 and would miss out on the PSW but thats always the case, some one will Miss out if not you then maybe somebody else.
I remember times going back about 11 years when it was absolutelty a nightmare to anyone non eu to get a work permit in the UK but still UK universities did attract thousands of students, Over time I for one feel that the HO has become a lot more lenient.
Our aim was to focus when a person has obtained his / her visa (with the understanding of PSW) not when they going to Graduate in 2012, 2013, there is not rocket science in it and will be fair for all.bobobo wrote:Guys if you go to court, I am sure it wont be a mammoth task for the HO to say they did provide a year in TA and they had to draw a line somewhere. If not 2012 then 2013 but it woul still have impacted some of you out there who would not have been happy about this.
Unemployment in this country is not caused by us, PSW, so it’s not our headache, all we wanted to deliver those offers which presented to us abroad in seminars and study abroad education exhibitions. At that time no one said; ok, we will give you PSW only if our native unemployment will be zero %.bobobo wrote:Every country needs to look out for its own people first. I have seen loads of students misusing their right to work in the UK. I know of people who have got a PSW visa and are now working in John Lewis / Waitrose as CSA.....this job can be done by a Bristish / Eu citizen, and doesnt requrie a vis a national to saty back and do this job.
Make a big broacher show it to all prospective students and let them decide should they come here or not.bobobo wrote:As much as you want to argue we all know how the immigration in UK has been abused over the last 5-6 years and it has created resentment against people, Hionestly when 2 in 10 UK graduates dont have a job why put the economy under pressure by giving out PSW visas to Visa Nationals.
No university has offered heaven on earth, they just offer whatever the Government legal polices are, don’t spread misinformation here.bobobo wrote:I know you dont want to hear this but unfortunately this is the harsh truth.
Aslo guys - Please be aware the Universitites can promise you the heaven and the earth (in this case PSW) but legally they cant do anything if whitehall decides against this, so this argument is futile and i would have hoped some of you lads out there would have the good sense to realise that.
Offer exists until stock lasts and they can change the rules shenever they want, you cant fight them for changing the rules:Besides Home office is lenient to shame marriages, over stayed peoples, asylum seeker, bogus students, bogus work permits, etc etc ….
the term Heaven and Earth is a term used to denote the "So Called Promise" to put a point accross, I am not misleading anyone...Unemployment in this country is not caused by us, PSW, so it’s not our headache, all we wanted to deliver those offers which presented to us abroad in seminars and study abroad education exhibitions. At that time no one said; ok, we will give you PSW only if our native unemployment will be zero %.
Take it or Leave it but the changes are proposed for a reason and I know it might be hard to swallow this and you might feel cheated but at the end you need to abide by the Law of the Land.The whole point is; what is wrong is wrong, no matter this whole country goes bankrupt or every single person become unemployed, still they have to deliver offers which they made before bringing foreign nationals into their soil. This is how decent and civilized nations do.