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What about people with Stamp 3 who are currently un-employed? I am Stamp 3, but the Parent of an Irish Citizen Child.cocoa123 wrote:Congrads to all! The first Stam4 based on the Zambrano case was issued by GNIB at 12.04.11. So, every Irish born child parent on Stamp1 can upgrade their stamp to stamp4 in GNIB. Also have with you
a) your valid work permit
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Did this happen to you personally?cocoa123 wrote:Congrads to all! The first Stam4 based on the Zambrano case was issued by GNIB at 12.04.11. So, every Irish born child parent on Stamp1 can upgrade their stamp to stamp4 in GNIB. If you go there don't forget to bring with you the following links printed to avoid attempts of vawing you off by immigration officer. (Initially they were trying to say they heard nothing about it, but eventually couldn't ignore the info published on their own website). Also have with you
a) your valid GNIB Card
a) your valid work permit
c) child's birth certificate
d) child's irish passport
e) proof of your address
f) your passport
http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Pages/Stamps
http://www.deti.ie/labour/workpermits/e ... quired.htm
http://www.immigrantcouncil.ie/images/s ... n_Note.pdf
I have the same question. Just dont want to go to GNIB and argue with people there.agniukas wrote:
Did this happen to you personally?
is there a chance, that it wasn't due to zambrano, but due to the fact that all persons on stamp 1 after 5 work permits get stamp 4?
It happened to my friend. And the status was changed on the basis of parent of irish born child who is irish citizen. Why? Cannot beleave it? Yes, the immigration officer didn't beleave at the beginning as well. But my friend insisted and exposed all related docs and proofs. They said "OK. Congrads! You're the first person who got stamp4 on this basis though". That it.agniukas wrote: Did this happen to you personally?
is there a chance, that it wasn't due to zambrano, but due to the fact that all persons on stamp 1 after 5 work permits get stamp 4?
It seems great but did anyone else have got STAMP 4 aswell coz one of me friends went to GNIB last week and they didnt even talk 2 him and got angry on him that y he is is the office for this matter, did anyone else also got stamp upgrade pls share ur viewscocoa123 wrote:agniukas wrote: Did this happen to you personally?
is there a chance, that it wasn't due to zambrano, but due to the fact that all persons on stamp 1 after 5 work permits get stamp 4?
It happened to my friend. And the status was changed on the basis of parent of irish born child who is irish citizen. Why? Cannot beleave it? Yes, the immigration officer didn't beleave at the beginning as well. But my friend insisted and exposed all related docs and proofs. They said "OK. Congrads! You're the first person who got stamp4 on this basis though". That it.[/quote
The guy who issue GNIB tickets (not visa) could be really arrogant at times. I dont think just by taking few print outs of web pages would be enough to convince him. And there is not even a word from the Minister on this matter. I think the present govt also is continuing delaying decisions as much as they could like the previous one, Simple tactic - Outst as much NonEU as possible!cocoa123 wrote: It happened to my friend. And the status was changed on the basis of parent of irish born child who is irish citizen. Why? Cannot beleave it? Yes, the immigration officer didn't beleave at the beginning as well. But my friend insisted and exposed all related docs and proofs. They said "OK. Congrads! You're the first person who got stamp4 on this basis though". That it.
Statement by Minister for Justice, Equality and Defence, Mr Alan Shatter, TD, on the implications of the recent ruling of the Court of Justice of the European Union in the case of Ruiz Zambrano.
Background
The Zambrano case was referred to the ECJ by a Belgian tribunal. Ireland along with a number of other Member States intervened in the proceedings. In summary, the Court ruled that Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union precludes a Member State from refusing a third country national upon whom his minor children, who are EU citizens, are dependent, a right of residence in the Member State of residence and nationality of those children, and from refusing to grant a work permit to that third country national, in so far as such decisions deprive those children of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights attaching to the status of European Union citizen. [See background note for more detailed explanation of the case.]
Ireland’s Approach to Implementing the Judgement
First it is important to state that this judgement applies only where the child is a citizen. It has no implications whatever for Irish Citizenship law. The granting of citizenship remains a matter entirely for the Oireachtas under the Constitution [see background note].
Given the importance of the ruling in the Zambrano case, I have decided, with the support of my Government colleagues, to make a brief public statement outlining the consideration being given to cases involving Irish minor dependant citizen children who have a non-national third country parent or parents.
One possible approach in these matters is to wait for pending cases to be determined by the Irish Courts and for the Courts to interpret and apply the Court of Justice ruling. That is an entirely justifiable approach from a legal standpoint. However in this case the Government has agreed that there needs to be a more proactive approach and that it should make a clear statement of its intention to take early action in these cases, insofar as it is unnecessary to await rulings of the Courts. We should not tie up the courts unnecessarily or ask eligible families to wait longer than necessary.
Accordingly I have asked my officials to carry out an urgent examination of all cases before the courts (approximately 120 at present) involving Irish citizen children to which the Zambrano judgment may be relevant.
The Government has agreed with my proposal that early decisions in appropriate cases to which the Zambrano judgement applies be made without waiting for further rulings of the Courts.
I have also asked my officials to examine the cases in the Department in which the possibility of deportation is being considered in order to ascertain the number of cases in which there is an Irish citizen child and to which the Zambrano judgment is relevant. In addition, consideration will be given to those cases of Irish Citizen children who have left the state whose parents were refused permission to remain.
This initiative is being taken in the best interests of the welfare of eligible minor Irish citizen children and to ensure that the taxpayer is not exposed to any unnecessary additional legal costs.
the gnib can only act once the inis gives them authority. zambrano stated that the parents should not only get permission to stay but also be given "work permits" and "access to the work force". in ireland this would norally be stamp 1 status, which is now, extremely fragile as if one lost their jobs they might have to get a new permit. or if someone got a chance in a life time offer for a job they would have to change permit. which there is no guarantee in getting such permit.still waiting wrote:As i rang in Immigrant council yesterday lady on the phone was 100% sure that its impossible that GNIB can do stamp upgrade we have to go thru proper procedure sent all doc. to INIS
I also rang work permit section and ask them regarding this situation he told me thats new law but he cant say anything i have to go to GNIB and it depends on officer if they give me stamp 4 i dont hav to apply for work permit renewal and if not i have to apply for work permit renewal.
so nothing is clear
