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Bear in mind that most nurses being recruited from overseas are not newly qualified, but are in fact highly experienced nursing professionals. There is, in fact, still a dire shortage of qualified health professionals in the UK. The NHS is of course now laying off doctors and nurses in droves in order to satisfy budgetry constraints, but that does not mean that there is no longer a shortage. It just means the government is too cheap to employ more nurses and doctors.I suppose that makes sense, given that the whole point of overseas recruitment is to alleviate local skills shortages and we currently have up to 85% of newly qualified nurses battling to find places.
There doesn't seem to be any need to panic. It's just an announcement to remove it from the Skills Occupation Shortages list. The list hasn't even been altered (yet), though I'd expect that to be happening right about now.The decision to remove general nurses from the shortage occupation list, means employers will need to advertise any vacancies first and only if they are unable to fill the post can they turn to international recruitment.
At present, this change applies to nursing posts graded at Agenda for Change bands five and six.
John wrote:tekaweni, fair comment, but what worries me here is whether there is any retrospective element of this? (At this moment that is a genuine question!)
That is, do the new restrictions hit nurses already in the UK, who are now prevented from changing jobs, or getting a job after completing their assimilation training. If it does affect those already in the UK then I think that is a very regrettable step.
Actually I think you will find that they are. Any time spent on a work permit in the UK counts towards obtaining indefinite leave to remain and therefore can be regarded as a "settlement visa". Along with HSMP visas, ancestry visas and various others.Work permits are not supposed to be settlement visas
Settlement may not be the primary purpose of (eg) WP / HSMP from the UK government's point of view, but it is part of the deal that, after spending a prescribed length of time in what the IND website calls "a category leading to settlement", settlement will be granted. Surely you appreciate that this why there was/is such a furore over the lengthening of the prescribed time from 4 to 5 years? The carrot dangled by the government was settlement, and the stick was suddenly made longer...JAJ wrote:John
Why do you say this? Work permits are not supposed to be settlement visas, and there is absolutely no obligation on the United Kingdom to offer settlement after any time period if it does not accord with United Kingdom national interests. Most countries don't do this.
I think look at this from the point of view of the actual nurse, someone who has come to the UK quite possibly from thousands of miles away. As already pointed out by Dawie WPs are a path to ILR ... are a path to Naturalisation. Accordingly many making the move to the UK do so because they do actually plan to live the rest of their lives in the UK. That was their expectation when they came here and for many the ability to achieve the plan has been altered retrospectively.JAJ wrote:John
Why do you say this? Work permits are not supposed to be settlement visas, and there is absolutely no obligation on the United Kingdom to offer settlement after any time period if it does not accord with United Kingdom national interests. Most countries don't do this.
John, with respect, if that's the way the system should run then why not just give ILR at the start and be done with it?John wrote: I think look at this from the point of view of the actual nurse, someone who has come to the UK quite possibly from thousands of miles away. As already pointed out by Dawie WPs are a path to ILR ... are a path to Naturalisation. Accordingly many making the move to the UK do so because they do actually plan to live the rest of their lives in the UK. That was their expectation when they came here and for many the ability to achieve the plan has been altered retrospectively.
Elsewhere on this Board we have people complaining ... and quite rightly ... about the move from 4 years to 5 years before they can apply for ILR. I put this latest move on nurses in the same category ..... it is retrospective .... as far as those already in the UK are concerned.
I strongly disagree. You make it sound as if ILR is some kind of discretionary concession that work permit holders should be grateful for receiving when it is quite clearly codified in law and really is a very legitimate expection when obtaining a work permit.Historically there has been a situation in the UK where people who stayed on a work permit for 4 years could apply for settlement. But I don't think there has ever been a legitimate expectation that the UK had an obligation to offer settlement after any time period. It is unfortunate that such an expectation has been allowed to develop among WP holders, however I don't think that is an acceptable constraint upon Government policy.
I don't agree to this fully..... for e.g an offshore company wants to send a resource to the UK on a WP to implement a project, does it mean that the candidate should accept the offer only if he gets to apply for ILR in the future?. Is this a legitimate expectation?Dawie wrote: I strongly disagree. You make it sound as if ILR is some kind of discretionary concession that work permit holders should be grateful for receiving when it is quite clearly codified in law and really is a very legitimate expection when obtaining a work permit.
That's really up to the individual. But tell me something. Would you really be willing to uproot yourself from your home country, come to the UK, possibly with your family in tow, knowing that there was no prospect of you being able to stay permanently? How many people do you think would be up for that?Or should any WP candidate accept the job offer only if the company / govt. promise him ILR in the future?
If you going to go off on one you could at least get your facts right.samkma wrote:By this new policy coming to effect soon, the British government is restricting the movement of nurses from one employer to another if they are on a work permit as the new employer will not get one, so Nurses are bound by LAW to work where they are and suffer. This is another form of EXPLIOTATION after offering prospects for Overseas Nurses in UK now they are treated like dogs. British policies are in many ways means of explioting forgien work force. They can change when they like, while if other countries try doing this they say "NO FREE MOVEMENT FOR FORGIEN WORKERS FROM EMPLOYER TO EMPLOYER"