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ok, this is what I am focusing now.mulderpf wrote:First of all, your girlfriend should be over 21.
You should be able to prove that you have met, which if you have travelled there and taken some photos should be adequate.
A bit difficult this one. One your would make it easier, as there should be a bit more space for dating, but it might be ok...mulderpf wrote: You should be able to prove that you intend on getting married within 6 months - e.g. wedding plans/arrangements or at least some sort of proof of engagement.
Question is obviously that how much is enough. I am able to live with very little money (excluding bills).mulderpf wrote: You should be able to prove that your girlfriend will come over and not have to revert to public funds. This should either be that you can sustain both of you on your income, or you have sufficient savings for it to work. Remember, your girlfriend will not be allowed to work, so you need to satisfy the visa officer that you have planned on how you will pay for your fiance as she will be out of work. (This is usually when people ask, but how much, but as this is not PBS, there is no set thresholds - it would depend on your circumstances and lifestyle - you should just be able to show that within your circumstances and lifestyle, you can afford another person without recourse to public funds).
This must mean "living with me *after* the marriage" as my morality will not allow her to live in the same house before the marriage. Not in a business of fornication... So before the marriage she will live in her own house.mulderpf wrote: You have to show that your girlfriend intends to come and live with you and that you have enough space available to accommodate her.
My only aim is to get married. But just that the 6months time is a bit too short. But lets see...mulderpf wrote: Note that this visa is not intended to be used for any other purposes other than getting married. If you do not get married during the time that the visa is valid, it is highly unlikely that you will be able to extend it (there are exceptions of course), as the entire purpose of the visa is NOT for you to get to know your girlfriend, you should be at a stage where you are sure you want to marry her.
I know full time workers who have normal jobs but their accounts are negative. So its not only about earning but also how to use the money.Greenie wrote:from your previous posts you said you were earning £500 per month and also that your bank account was constantly overdrawn. You are unlikely to be successful in a fiance/spouse visa in these circumstances as you need to have around £105 per week left over after you have paid rent, council tax and any loan repayments, unless your fiance has savings of her own.
jp70 wrote:ok, this is what I am focusing now.mulderpf wrote:First of all, your girlfriend should be over 21.
You should be able to prove that you have met, which if you have travelled there and taken some photos should be adequate.
A bit difficult this one. One your would make it easier, as there should be a bit more space for dating, but it might be ok...mulderpf wrote: You should be able to prove that you intend on getting married within 6 months - e.g. wedding plans/arrangements or at least some sort of proof of engagement.
Question is obviously that how much is enough. I am able to live with very little money (excluding bills).mulderpf wrote: You should be able to prove that your girlfriend will come over and not have to revert to public funds. This should either be that you can sustain both of you on your income, or you have sufficient savings for it to work. Remember, your girlfriend will not be allowed to work, so you need to satisfy the visa officer that you have planned on how you will pay for your fiance as she will be out of work. (This is usually when people ask, but how much, but as this is not PBS, there is no set thresholds - it would depend on your circumstances and lifestyle - you should just be able to show that within your circumstances and lifestyle, you can afford another person without recourse to public funds).
This must mean "living with me *after* the marriage" as my morality will not allow her to live in the same house before the marriage. Not in a business of fornication... So before the marriage she will live in her own house.mulderpf wrote: You have to show that your girlfriend intends to come and live with you and that you have enough space available to accommodate her.
My only aim is to get married. But just that the 6months time is a bit too short. But lets see...mulderpf wrote: Note that this visa is not intended to be used for any other purposes other than getting married. If you do not get married during the time that the visa is valid, it is highly unlikely that you will be able to extend it (there are exceptions of course), as the entire purpose of the visa is NOT for you to get to know your girlfriend, you should be at a stage where you are sure you want to marry her.
Lots of people live on a constant negative account balance however they are not all sponsoring someone to come to the UK on a fiance visa. They will need to be satisfied that you have enough money to live on when she comes to join you. If you are constantly overdrawn and have a low income that suggests that you currently spend more than you earn and they won't grant a fiance visa in these circumstances.jp70 wrote:I know full time workers who have normal jobs but their accounts are negative. So its not only about earning but also how to use the money.Greenie wrote:from your previous posts you said you were earning £500 per month and also that your bank account was constantly overdrawn. You are unlikely to be successful in a fiance/spouse visa in these circumstances as you need to have around £105 per week left over after you have paid rent, council tax and any loan repayments, unless your fiance has savings of her own.
Yes, obviously at the moment. But I have time to build up my income. I have actually 2 sources of income, and the other one is "kicking in" soon, so am thinking future will be ok. The question, which must be dealt with laywers, is that how long period of good accounts is required to prove that.
I told earlier, that am very succesfull trader. Am making like 90% yearly. So that should put things positive at some point. So its likely I should be ok after some time.
Did I not have these kind of future prospect, I would not even try this.
So I will wait until income increases.
Ideally I need to first know her face to face like 4-6 months. But because of the difficulties to get visas etc in this case (as shes does not live in the UK), might need to make special arrangement. So I have to take "risk" to make that desicion that we are ok and gonna marry.mulderpf wrote:JP, your post is very confusing and I'm not sure that even you know what you want. The whole point of getting a fiance visa, is for your girlfriend to come here and marry you. Now if you're saying that six months isn't enough then obviously you are not sure that you want to marry yet, then this visa is not the right one - only apply for it once you are sure you want to marry. It is not a "trial" visa to get you to decide whether or not you want to marry.
Obviously we have to wait until our total money is enough. But she has some savings herself as well... And maybe taking a loan could be also acceptable in urgency? Have to as laywers.mulderpf wrote: As your morality does not allow her to live with you before marriage, where is she going to stay and who is going to pay for it? How are you going to prove that she can pay for it as she will not allowed to work? From the sounds of it, you are barely making ends meet for yourself - how are you going to sustain another person who you want having live in her own place, with separate bills etc?
I have reasonable expentancy getting much bigger income in near future...mulderpf wrote: The whole point of these criteria is not to make things as difficult as possible. It's to ensure that you know what the reality is and that you have thought things through - you obviously haven't, as you already don't seem to make ends meet, but want to set up a separate household for your girlfriend - who is going to pay for it??
But I better start to prepare and meet her long before we try the fiancee visa, isnt it? ye, its a bit risky, but counting the whole situtation I see its worth of it. I dont need to have that money before I just meet her first times. Lets say we have the money in next christmas. So it was good to meet this summer long before that, so that when we have the money everything is ready.Greenie wrote: If you intend to wait until you are earning more perhaps come back and post here again when you are actually ready. I can see another protracted debate in this thread otherwise.
In that case, you are better off in visiting her in her own country. Unfortunately, regardless of your intentions, there are many people who abuse this route and without the rules in place, you would see a lot more people coming to Britain to "marry", but only want an easy way in.jp70 wrote: Ideally I need to first know her face to face like 4-6 months. But because of the difficulties to get visas etc in this case (as shes does not live in the UK), might need to make special arrangement. So I have to take "risk" to make that desicion that we are ok and gonna marry.
And that is fine - on a fiance visa, if you decide not to marry, then your girlfriend would have to return as she would not be a fiance anymore (the whole point of the visa). Hence I am saying you should be pretty sure.jp70 wrote: But remember, that 2 dating people are allowed to make a desicion at any point before marriage that they actually dont want to marry. Its *only* when you get married that there is no looking back... this is even according to history of marriage customs.
No, loans are not acceptable proof as the UKBA does not know (and aren't interested) your or her credit history. Also, your girlfriend will probably not be allowed to get a loan for at least 6 months. You cannot lend money if you have no means of paying it back (she isn't allowed to work).jp70 wrote: Obviously we have to wait until our total money is enough. But she has some savings herself as well... And maybe taking a loan could be also acceptable in urgency? Have to as laywers.
It would be best to wait for this to actually materialise before applying then, the UKBA would not be interested in something you don't have concrete evidence as they would not be able to verify claims of "reasonable expectancy".jp70 wrote: I have reasonable expentancy getting much bigger income in near future...
Yeah, in this case its all about the money. You can't prove love to the UKBA, but you can prove moneyjp70 wrote:But I better start to prepare and meet her long before we try the fiancee visa, isnt it? ye, its a bit risky, but counting the whole situtation I see its worth of it. I dont need to have that money before I just meet her first times. Lets say we have the money in next christmas. So it was good to meet this summer long before that, so that when we have the money everything is ready.Greenie wrote: If you intend to wait until you are earning more perhaps come back and post here again when you are actually ready. I can see another protracted debate in this thread otherwise.
the problem is that I cannot and dont want to be there long time - months.mulderpf wrote: In that case, you are better off in visiting her in her own country.
One way would be to try to understand their intentions. Because even if you have everything correct (like money, house etc) your intentions can still be wrong...mulderpf wrote: Unfortunately, regardless of your intentions, there are many people who abuse this route and without the rules in place, you would see a lot more people coming to Britain to "marry", but only want an easy way in.
I am very sure. I have known her 1year.mulderpf wrote: And that is fine - on a fiance visa, if you decide not to marry, then your girlfriend would have to return as she would not be a fiance anymore (the whole point of the visa). Hence I am saying you should be pretty sure.
Not even if you already *got* that loan??mulderpf wrote: No, loans are not acceptable proof
Not applying for fiancee yet, this is only meeting first time. I am applying visitior visa to visit her in Africa.mulderpf wrote: It would be best to wait for this to actually materialise before applying then, the UKBA would not be interested in something you don't have concrete evidence as they would not be able to verify claims of "reasonable expectancy".
I have seen her many times in web cam. She is a christian - so if that is true, she would propably not lie, because christian by definition is not allowed to do that and does not want to do that. If she did, she would not be a christian.mulderpf wrote: Just a question out of interest - if you are not convinced about your relationship yourself, why are you pursuing this? You have not met, you don't seem to be sure of her intentions, you don't know you own intentions, how can you be sure that you are not just being used for an easy ride into Britain? (This is a sincere question! I am also from Africa, and I know what lengths people will go to, to get into Europe - so it is not meant to offend - just something else you should think about as it is clear that you have not thought much of this through).
Not always money neither. How can you prove that the money on your account put there is yours and not somebody elses?mulderpf wrote:Yeah, in this case its all about the money. You can't prove love to the UKBA, but you can prove moneyjp70 wrote:But I better start to prepare and meet her long before we try the fiancee visa, isnt it? ye, its a bit risky, but counting the whole situtation I see its worth of it. I dont need to have that money before I just meet her first times. Lets say we have the money in next christmas. So it was good to meet this summer long before that, so that when we have the money everything is ready.Greenie wrote: If you intend to wait until you are earning more perhaps come back and post here again when you are actually ready. I can see another protracted debate in this thread otherwise.
Well, I dont want to go there...mulderpf wrote:If she wants you to go live with her, then I don't see the point of all of this. There is no need for the UKBA to be involved at all.
Why do you want to close? They are different subjects... same person cannot open several threads?Casa wrote:Well Greenie...I reckon I've got 5 choices:
Close both
Close one or the other
Let both continue...thus confusing everyone
Ignore all threads and get on with my 'day job"
Bring Wanderer back to conclude it.
The city where she lives is one of the safest is Africa. She has good savings and full time job. She has relatives + child there. A house to stay etc. So I guess this does not apply to her...Casa wrote:Why not think positive that people can be honest and hard working people?
Of course people can be honest and hard working but they can also be desperate to escape from the life they have in their own country. You only have to see the numbers who tragically die every year trying to cross into Europe in unseaworthy and overloaded boats. Sometimes (although I'm not implying in your case of course) marriage seems the easier option.