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1. Yes, Work Permit or HSMP visa if she has relevant in-demand hard to find skills etcrichardholmes wrote:Hi,
I was recently travelling in America where I met a girl who has now come back with me with a 6 month visitor's visa in the the UK.
A couple of things I would like to know (apologies if these are in a different thread, if so please direct me to the relevant one).
1. She would like to stay longer than 6 months, do we really have to go through the long and drawn out process of marrying etc...
2. SHe would also like to work and possibly study...
Is there any way we can get her to stay longer?!?
Thanks in advance,
Rich
I think the point of the posts was simply that it shouldn't be assumed that an American (or indeed anyone who can get six months entry to the UK as a visitor without a visa) can simply come to the UK as a visitor, leave when their six months is up, return very shortly thereafter, and keep doing that. This appeared to be what was suggested above - but immigration officers have a high index of suspicion about this sort of behaviour.Jeff Albright wrote:There is certainly some nice and helpful advice going round here...
What overstayers?! How this would tie up with the author's situation?
I certainly agree that ,for a spouses settlment visa, evidence is required to show, 'you both intend to live together permanently as husband and wife' but living together before the marriage is not a prerequisite for this type of visa and is not the only way to prove the marriage is subsistent.Even if you decide to get married before the 2 years are up, you will still have to live together for some time to generate evidence that you intend to live together permanently, which will be required by the UK Immigration Authorities before she is approved for a spouse visa.
This is not true in the case of applying for the first spousal visa, FLR(M). However, it is true in the case of applying for ILR once FLR is about to expire. Very, very few couples would get a UK spousal visa if they had to prove they'd been living together!Jeff Albright wrote:Even if you decide to get married before the 2 years are up, you will still have to live together for some time to generate evidence that you intend to live together permanently, which will be required by the UK Immigration Authorities before she is approved for a spouse visa.
Christophe was right. Perhaps my use of "overstayers" was the wrong word. What I meant to imply is that a six-month tourist stamp is simply that, a six-month tourist stamp. IOs are becoming much more savvy to those who try to skirt or bend the rules, for whatever reason.Christophe wrote:I think the point of the posts was simply that it shouldn't be assumed that an American (or indeed anyone who can get six months entry to the UK as a visitor without a visa) can simply come to the UK as a visitor, leave when their six months is up, return very shortly thereafter, and keep doing that. This appeared to be what was suggested above - but immigration officers have a high index of suspicion about this sort of behaviour.Jeff Albright wrote:There is certainly some nice and helpful advice going round here...
What overstayers?! How this would tie up with the author's situation?
I think it's the treatment of the visitor visa (or waiver in case of US Citizens') as effectivley a settlement visa thats the issue here. I have heard of the unwritten rule that you should only use a six month VV (or waiver) once a year, but I've never seen it officially.Jeff Albright wrote:You know what, people, I cannot see you talking straight to the point.
Non-visa national can stay in the UK on the visitors entry stamp for not more than for 6 months ON A SINGLE visit. Before the expiry of her visa she leaves the UK for one, two, five, ten, hundred days, then returns and gets another 6 months visitors stamp on arrival and stays another 6 months.
She could also ask for 1 - 2 - 5 year visitors stamp after she has visited the UK several times but still cannot stay for longer than 6 months ON A SINGLE visit.
It is written on the UK Visas website clearly and concisely.
What overstayers, what bending of the rules are we discussing here and where has that topic come from??
As many mentioned before me, it just doesn't work like that in reality. If you leave the UK and try to reenter a few days later without a valid reason (such as including a side-trip to the continent), you WILL arouse suspicion, whether you are a non-visa national or not. This is especially true if you are close the end of the 6 month period. Immigration officers may be many things, but stupid they are not.Non-visa national can stay in the UK on the visitors entry stamp for not more than for 6 months ON A SINGLE visit. Before the expiry of her visa she leaves the UK for one, two, five, ten, hundred days, then returns and gets another 6 months visitors stamp on arrival and stays another 6 months.
What planet are you on? There is no such thing. You are confusing this with entry clearence for 1, 2 or 5 years. A UK entry stamp will only ever show leave to enter for a maximum of 6 months. Less if you are unlucky, but never more.She could also ask for 1 - 2 - 5 year visitors stamp after she has visited the UK several times but still cannot stay for longer than 6 months ON A SINGLE visit.
This is for visa nationals - ie people whose citizenship means that they need a visa to visit UK. It is to save visa nationals who are regular visitors from having to reapply every time. It would not be appropriate for a US citizen, who doesn't need a visa for a visit.Jeff Albright wrote:....She could also ask for 1 - 2 - 5 year visitors stamp after she has visited the UK several times but still cannot stay for longer than 6 months ON A SINGLE visit.
It is written on the UK Visas website clearly and concisely.
That is true. But it also true that the person requires leave to enter on each new occasion, and leave (i.e. permission) can be withheld by the immigration officer at the port of entry, and it will be withheld if the immigration officer forms the opinion that the passport holder is in effect living in the UK while having serial permissions to stay as a visitor for 6 months (or whatever) at a time. Of course, it is possible for someone to try doing this, but it is highly inadvisable - because, apart from anything else, it can lead to problems in coming the UK in the future. It is also illegal, and foolish, to lie to an immigration officer.Jeff Albright wrote: Non-visa national can stay in the UK on the visitors entry stamp for not more than for 6 months ON A SINGLE visit. Before the expiry of her visa she leaves the UK for one, two, five, ten, hundred days, then returns and gets another 6 months visitors stamp on arrival and stays another 6 months.
Can't do that, the UK half of the couple would only be allowed to enter the US as a visitor for 90 days.Jeff Albright wrote:<snip>Perhaps they should stay 6 months in the UK and then stay another 6 months in the US. Then start again and so on until they decide to get married and then settle in either country.