Work permit for Netherlands

[parham_gs]

Dear Friends,

I am 25 and married and Iranian.
I have bachelor of Metallurgy Engineering and have 2 years work experience in field of business of raw material for metallugy.
I have some questions:

1-Is it possible for a non-Eu residence to get the work permit in Netherlands,Belgium or Luxembourg?Please explain what is the conditions?

2-If yes is it possible for him to bring his spouse?How much time it will take for it?

3-Is it possible to extend the work permit and finally get the permanent residency?

4-Am I eligible for getting this work permit refer to my degree which is not from EU countries?

5-You should know the language of that country in fluent or not?


It would be appreciate if I can get my answers throw your help.


Thanks and best regards
Parham

[parham_gs]

Any reply about my questions!!!!

[RobinLondon]

I don't mean to be rude, but I think you may be wasting your time.

If you don't have any family or educational connections to the USA, Canada, UK, Australia, New Zealand or any European country in general, there is no way that you are going to get a work permit. Unless I'm mistaken, there are thousands of Americans, Canadians, Brits, Australians, New Zealanders and Europeans who can do your job (metallurgy) in their country already, and they don't need a work permit to do it. And they can speak the local language fluently. It's a burden on the employer to engage a foreigner, and it's one that he or she'd rather not have. It's sad but true.

By the way, if there is a shortage in your career in a specific country that you're interested in, you need to find that out. Go to the country's immigration website and investigate. Ring up/e-mail potential employers and ask. This may be very disappointing for you, however. They may reject you for the reasons I listed above. Be prepared for a lot of "no's". Otherwise, try becoming the very best metallurgist you can. If you become very proficient, you may qualify for a specialist visa in whatever country you're interested in.

I'm sorry, but at the moment, I think that you're just going to have to make a life for yourself in Iran. This doesn't mean that you'll never get to emigrate, but it just seems very difficult now given your present details. From what I hear, Iran can be a nice place to live under certain circumstances. And at least your wife (and your families?) can be there with you, and that may be important too.

[parham_gs]

Thanks for your reply.
But it was very strange reply from Immigration board!
As I know so many countries still need educated people and specially in Australia,New Zealand and Canada!
I have so many friends that they are recently found job in those countries!
I am trying to get information about European countries because I would like to live there,I wish that you could come Iran and see the life in Iran!It is sad!So sad!I prefer to looking my dreams and find my time even after 20 years!
I know that European people don`t like to accept foreginers because of their economic problems,but this is not end of story.
If I should study a course in Europe,ok I will try for it!But first of all I should find some more information about Europe.
Thanks for your suggestion but I am not wasting my time,I trying to find better situation of living!
I feel that Immigration board`s members don`t want to help Middle East people!As I saw so many helpfull comments for indian people!!!!

Any way thanks

[RobinLondon]

Parham...

I'm not trying to discourage you 100% from emigrating, I'm just trying to let you know that it's really tough! It would be very hard for me to emigrate to places like Dubai or South Africa or Norway too.

Canada is probably easiest because you don't have to have a visa to approach an employer. In Canada, you can get offered a job first and then request a visa from the government. In places that you were looking for like the Netherlands, Norway, Belgium, or Switzerland, it's so much harder because the employer actually has to prove that no one there can do your job. It's a legal requirement. In Canada (I'm not sure about Australia and New Zealand), you just have to convince the employer that you can do the job better than anyone else. It's just economic competition, not a governmental process.

So I have to refer you back to my original posting. If you want to migrate to Europe, you need to (1) get an employer to guarantee to the government that no one else can do the job and (2) be so fantastic in your job (hopefully, one that's in demand) that they want to hire you. It may help to be a student first, but that's no guarantee. Plus it might be difficult for your wife to join you on a student visa. If I were you, I would try for Canada. It's probably easier, and again, you just need to prove that you'd be a good worker, not the only worker available. Oh yeah, and buy a warm coat.

in English: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/skilled/index.html
en français (pour votre femme): http://www.cic.gc.ca/francais/qualifie/index.html

Good luck. I wish you all the best and hope things work out.

[RobinLondon]

By the way, I'm not sure it's fair to say that the board people don't want to help middle eastern people. Maybe some don't, but definitely not all. People are people, and we're all just trying to have a better life.

I will tell you how to guarantee not getting any messages on this board, though. If anyone, whether American, European, Middle Eastern, African or Asian just writes "I want to move to X. Please tell me exactly how to do it. Thanks in advance for all the information.", it's really very annoying. If you want to emigrate, you've got to do your homework. And a lot of it.

After you do your homework, you should then post specific questions. For instance, all those requests from your original post could have been answered by investigating the Dutch immigration website www.ind.nl . It's much easier for non-professional people like us to answer direct, well-considered queries. Maybe that's what the Indians do, as you say. Maybe not. But trust me, if some guy from New Delhi were to post a vague message about how to set himself up in Birmingham right quick, he'd be waiting quite a while for some attention!

[parham_gs]

Dear Robin,

Your website was very useful,
Thanks for your answers.
About the student visa I have asked from British embassy in Iran that the students can bring their spouses to UK easily 2months after starting academic year.
Also I heared it from some people which france also has this rule,But I don`t know about Benelux and embassies said we can not tell you it depends the type of your education!I couldn`t undrestand what it means!

Anyway thanks alot for your efforts to help me.

[RobinLondon]

Parham,

I'm not sure what that means either. I had a look at the Dutch website. I think the following questions apply to you:

Is my spouse/partner allowed to work with a residence permit granted on the basis of our marriage or relationship?

If you are allowed to work in the Netherlands, your spouse/partner usually is allowed to work here too. On the back of the residence permit there is a statement regarding whether or not your spouse/partner is permitted to work. It also states whether or not the employer has to apply for a work permit with the CWI. [link naar: instantielijst] [link to: institutions]

Can I ask someone else to act as guarantor for my spouse/partner?

No, that is not possible. In your capacity as spouse/partner, you must have sufficient income to provide for yourself and your spouse/partner.

Is it necessary for me to have a permanent employment contract?

No, that is not necessary. At the moment that the application for the authorization for temporary stay is filed, your employment contract must at least be valid for another 12 months.

I do not have an employment contract that is valid for another 12 months. Is it possible for my spouse/partner to be granted an authorization for temporary stay/residence permit?

Your income will be regarded as stable, if you have an employment contract that is valid for another 6 months, provided that you have had three years of previous employment. In those past three years, you must have earned at least as much as the amount set for the income requirement that applies to your situation. If you meet these conditions, the authorization for temporary stay/residence permit can be granted after all.

How much do I have to earn to be allowed to bring my spouse/partner to the Netherlands?

For the purpose of family reunion, you must have a monthly income that is equal to or more than the relevant standard of social security benefit for families laid down by the Dutch Minister of Social Affairs and Employment in the Dutch Work and Benefit Act (Wet werk en bijstand or Wwb).

The standard amount is a net amount (including holiday allowance). For the purpose of family formation, your monthly income must be equal to or more than 120% of the relevant standard as laid down by the Dutch Minister of Social Affairs and Employment in the Dutch Minimum Wage Act (Wet Minimumloon). The amounts are set out in the table below (volgende tabel).

I am a student. Are there any other exceptions in respect of the income requirements that apply to me?

No, your income will be reviewed, unless one of the following situations applies:

you are aged 65 or over
you have been declared permanently and 100% unfit for work
you are permanently unable to comply with the duty to be available for work
Study grants are not regarded as income, for the income must be acquired independently. Your parents are not allowed to act as guarantor for your partner in the family reunion/family formation procedure.

I got this information from the residence wizard. To find information about bringing in your wife, go to http://www.ind.nl/EN/verblijfwijzer/ver ... en&lang=en and select "longer than 3 months", "Iran" and "marriage or relationship". Basically it looks like you can bring in your wife as a student if you have saved about 1,500 EUR per month.

For information about you, go to http://www.ind.nl/EN/verblijfwijzer/ver ... en&lang=en . Select "longer than 3 months", "Iran" and "study procedure" or "working as an employee". That should tell you in detail what you need to do.

One way that the UK is different to these other countries is that here the spouse is allowed to work full time whilst the student partner studies. The student himself may work up to 20 hours a week, but that's not a good idea. It looks like in Holland, your spouse will only be able to work if you are able to work. There it seems like you need to have saved up a lot of money. In Holland, you can only work 10 hours a week and during the summer, so your wife may be equally limited. In Holland, many better-paying jobs go to people who speak generally good Dutch.

Hope that helps. Really explore the website. There is a lot of useful information there. It seems to answer a lot of questions that the embassy can't or won't.

Happy reading!

[parham_gs]

Dear Robin,

Thanks a lot for all the information.
Now I Believe that Immigrationboard is very helpfull!!

Regards
Parham