acme4242 wrote:walrusgumble, you are a waste of my time, its your opinion
that Irish Citizens should have no absolute rights of any description.
such opinions belong in totalitarian states, we are not there yet mate.
Although if John O'Donoghue, Herr McDowell and Ahern had not
been all kicked out, We would be even closer.
Ye, it would be a waste of time, seeing you can't tell the difference between an opinion and a statement of fact. Or realise what was actually said or have any knowledge of basic law, that you in particular purport to continously state and propagandise.
It is not my opinion that Irish Citizens have no absolute rights of any discription. You have not only completely misunderstood what was said, which is nothing new, you also misquoted me. I clearly said one exception is the right to life and another, being a right not to suffer tortutre and ill human and degrading treatment.
If you bothered to ever read a basic text book on the Irish Constitution or even the Constitution itself you will very quickly, like all areas of law, and constitutional rights , with the exception of the above, are qualifed, either in the provision itself or elsewhere in the piece of law. Even the European Convention on Human Rights contain qualifications. Read Article 8.
That is all that was said.
By the way, Irish High Court and Supreme Court have made it abundantly clear in cases involving immigrants, even where there are Irish Citizens, that rights such as those in Article 41 are not absolute. Read Lobe. These cases, like the echr, balance between that individuals right and the rights and interests of the state as a whole, or as they say, the common good.
The same in cases that involve the conflicting rights between say the right of privacy vs the right of expression .
Heirarchy of Rights is how western world democratic countries run. Its not always perfect, but its better than some. You have a lot to learn. Maybe you should refrain from discussing big issues, you clearly are unable to control your hysterics.
I don't make the judgments, they are not my opinions at all. I simply am highlighting what is being said. If you want to embarrase yourself more, sorry, try to correct the veracity of your statement, off you go. Maybe it is time for you to find out what the dictionary term for opinion actually means.
Seriously, ye lads must be great fun when yer are seeking advice for lawyers when they are competently doing their job by correctly advising you, even when that means telling you want you do not want to hear. It is their opinions too? How many lawyers have ye gone through by now? Feel silly when loosing in court realising that the first lawyer was right and you are now stuck with a bill of costs? Wow i nearly feel sorry for those immigration lawyers.
You have some nerve talking about totalitarian states. Mr McDowell, Irish Citizen, was a lot of things, but I don't recall him being a human rights violator (oh wait having immigration policies that don't suit you, even though it complies with ECHR is as bad as other leaders - right send him to THE HAGUE - seriously, get him out of here). It would not matter how was in charge, the same results would happen, the courts after all the the judges.
Some persecution complex ye all have got.