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Not really, you think if the consultant found you a job he would sit on his hands, no way, he wants his commission. I suggest you try outside of london with less competition. thats the market if you want to find work, you have to think outside the boxmulderpf wrote:When you get the calls from the consultants, do you take down their name and numbers and follow up with them or do you just expect them to get back to you?
From experience, you have to hound them constantly. Until the point that they have sent you for an interview, you are just another number and another CV - nothing with stand out, unless you make yourself stand out.
Do you seriously think that (even outside London), there is only one or two applications for each job that comes up? Think again. These guys have to wade through hundreds of CV's and companies have to do the same. Usually agents submit the CV and forget about it until the company get back to them, they have other, more important things to get on with (such as talking to people who actually got interviews).republique wrote:Not really, you think if the consultant found you a job he would sit on his hands, no way, he wants his commission. I suggest you try outside of london with less competition. thats the market if you want to find work, you have to think outside the boxmulderpf wrote:When you get the calls from the consultants, do you take down their name and numbers and follow up with them or do you just expect them to get back to you?
From experience, you have to hound them constantly. Until the point that they have sent you for an interview, you are just another number and another CV - nothing with stand out, unless you make yourself stand out.
you cant disagree mulder, he takes it personallynshar1 wrote:Mulderpf - All I am saying is "if somebody is getting frustrated with recruiters-he has to do more than just sit back and wait for recruiters to do something"
Direct recruitment is something which people do not try.
It is a very effective mean of getting interviews.
Another effective mean of getting interviews is thru referrals. I have had interviews and offers with so many companies where my friends have been working.
Use the above two besides taking the services of recruiters.
This is why I sometimes lose patience with comments on here.nshar1 wrote: Direct recruitment is something which people do not try.
It is a very effective mean of getting interviews.
Another effective mean of getting interviews is thru referrals. I have had interviews and offers with so many companies where my friends have been working.
Myself tried many avenues for my job search including direct approach and recruiters. I got an interview through direct application(which I failed to pass) , but that is because they were my previous employer. In the end I got the job through a recruiter.nshar1 wrote:Precisely the reason that I started a new thread on direct recruitment sites of companies.
Why do you want to depend on recruiters knowing fully well that no-one can depend on recruiters !!
I changed my approach and applied to companies directly. The success rate from my CV submission directly to companies is very high.
I would recommend that anybody who is struggling with recruiters should apply directly to companies.
Manu,Manu_here wrote:Hi nshar1,
Thread started by you is very nice .
I have tried with 4-5 companies but problem here is they actually wait for
around a month for application submission from the day they open any position .
This is my personal experience with some high profile companies .
Let me know if you differ and also if have any other approach.
Best way anyways i feel is through referral but that will work only if you have friends in same domain/technology.
Thanks,
Manu
Whats your problem if I am opening more avenues for people.kenfrapin wrote:
This is why I sometimes lose patience with comments on here.
You have no clue buddy. Please get your research right. If nothing else talk to an industry insider (HR person). Come to my place and I will show you some market research reports from research agencies.kenfrapin wrote: all options are good but a big majority of the roles in the markets are through agencies and that's the truth.
So the probability of success based on a higher hit rate is going through agencies than referrals/direct careers sites
Manu..I have seen companies coming back within a day or two also.Manu_here wrote:Hi nshar1,
Thread started by you is very nice .
I have tried with 4-5 companies but problem here is they actually wait for
around a month for application submission from the day they open any position .
This is my personal experience with some high profile companies .
Let me know if you differ and also if have any other approach.
Best way anyways i feel is through referral but that will work only if you have friends in same domain/technology.
Thanks,
Manu
Where do you get these figures from and which industries do they apply to, because that seems like a gross generalisation to me. Also, does the "remaining" 60% include internal hires and referrals or actual hires from outside?nshar1 wrote: I would suggest that you do your research before advising people. Recruiters account for less than 40% of all recruitment in UK. Do you want people to loose out on the remaining 60%
I got my figures from a MBA university database. Although I can't forward these research reports to anybody(for obvious reasons-copyright constraints), I am happy to share them with anybody who wants to meet me and look at them.mulderpf wrote:Where do you get these figures from and which industries do they apply to, because that seems like a gross generalisation to me. Also, does the "remaining" 60% include internal hires and referrals or actual hires from outside?nshar1 wrote: I would suggest that you do your research before advising people. Recruiters account for less than 40% of all recruitment in UK. Do you want people to loose out on the remaining 60%
I saw some statistics the other day regarding the number of IT positions filled by recruitment agents vs direct hires and whilst I cannot remember the exact figures, your statement does not support this whatsoever. The article explained that if you basically remove internal hires and referrals from the equation, you are left with pure "recruitment vs direct hire" figures and this was closer to a 90 / 10 split in favour of recruitment. Often "new position" figures include internal hires which skew the figures as it is not clear then that this position would have never even hit the public domain.