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That's what I thought too but look here :Lucapooka wrote:Be patient. It´s a weekend. Language ability is a matter for the course provider.
Thanks a lot for answeringGreenie wrote:your brother would probably be better off speaking to the university directly in these circumstances to find out whether they are able to issue the CAS or whether they require further evidence of his English language ability.
Universities have discretion as to their method of assessment of a student's English language ability when a student is coming to study a course at NQF level 6 + (i.e. bachelors degree +) See para 115 Tier 4 policy guidance This means that they do not need to require a test from UKBA's approved list and they do not need to list individual scores in the CAS. Instead the confirm they are satisfied with that his Eng language is at B2 and he will not need to provide his test report with his application.
However in practice most HEIs will ask for evidence of Eng language ability in the form of an approved test such as IELTS of TOEFL and if they have seen this test and this is their method of assessment, they may list this on the CAS, as your brother's test scores are not B2 all around, the university may not be willing to issue a CAS unless he takes a further test.
If your brother has only just missed out on meeting B2 for one of the elements, the university may be able to conduct their own test for example an interview over skype (if the element he missed out on is speaking) or as long as he has an unconditional offer, they may be able to issue him a CAS as long as he completes a pre-sessional English course with them before he starts of the course . Much of this really does depend on the university hence why it would be better for your brother to speaks to them.
They are satisfied his english is at B2 level but I don't know how much aware they are of this one point difference in one of the sections so I do not want to bring it to their attention...if it was an issue they would have said something, but they haven't at all, they seem to be happy all around. I am feeling more calm now knowing they won't send the actual certificate where they may have missed this bit or perhaps are willing to overlook. As long as they confirm for UKBA the applicants English is at B2 standard I think there should be no reason to worry...Greenie wrote:The problem is universities' entry requirements are not the same as ukba's requirements. Just because the university has given him an unconditional offer doesn't mean they can issue him a Cas. They are unable to issue a Cas for a degree course only unless they are satisfied that the student is at b2 In all four components.
The university/college do not send the students qualifications to ukba but they may list the English language qualification on the Cas. As suggested your brother needs to contact the university to find out what they intend to do.
unless they have tested him in some other way then they can't be satisfied that his english is at B2 in all four components. they will be aware of the UKBA's requirements. As advised, your brother needs contac them to raise the issue.barbie1 wrote:They are satisfied his english is at B2 level but I don't know how much aware they are of this one point difference in one of the sections so I do not want to bring it to their attention...if it was an issue they would have said something, but they haven't at all, they seem to be happy all around. I am feeling more calm now knowing they won't send the actual certificate where they may have missed this bit or perhaps are willing to overlook. As long as they confirm for UKBA the applicants English is at B2 standard I think there should be no reason to worry...Greenie wrote:The problem is universities' entry requirements are not the same as ukba's requirements. Just because the university has given him an unconditional offer doesn't mean they can issue him a Cas. They are unable to issue a Cas for a degree course only unless they are satisfied that the student is at b2 In all four components.
The university/college do not send the students qualifications to ukba but they may list the English language qualification on the Cas. As suggested your brother needs to contact the university to find out what they intend to do.
If they are not satisfied, how come they never said anything....why did they give him an unconditional offer? Why haven't they raised the issue with us...?Greenie wrote:
unless they have tested him in some other way then they can't be satisfied that his english is at B2 in all four components. they will be aware of the UKBA's requirements. As advised, your brother needs contac them to raise the issue.
they can give him an unconditional offer because their entry requirements permit this - it doesn't meant they can sponsor him under tier 4 and give him a CAS for the degree course only. Given he has only missed out by one point in one component, they may find a way to get around it, for example a short pre-sessional course or they may conduct their own test. As advised in all of my posts - your brother should speak to the university.barbie1 wrote:If they are not satisfied, how come they never said anything....why did they give him an unconditional offer? Why haven't they raised the issue with us...?Greenie wrote:unless they have tested him in some other way then they can't be satisfied that his english is at B2 in all four components. they will be aware of the UKBA's requirements. As advised, your brother needs contac them to raise the issue.barbie1 wrote:They are satisfied his english is at B2 level but I don't know how much aware they are of this one point difference in one of the sections so I do not want to bring it to their attention...if it was an issue they would have said something, but they haven't at all, they seem to be happy all around. I am feeling more calm now knowing they won't send the actual certificate where they may have missed this bit or perhaps are willing to overlook. As long as they confirm for UKBA the applicants English is at B2 standard I think there should be no reason to worry...Greenie wrote:The problem is universities' entry requirements are not the same as ukba's requirements. Just because the university has given him an unconditional offer doesn't mean they can issue him a Cas. They are unable to issue a Cas for a degree course only unless they are satisfied that the student is at b2 In all four components.
The university/college do not send the students qualifications to ukba but they may list the English language qualification on the Cas. As suggested your brother needs to contact the university to find out what they intend to do.
the university should already be aware that they can't issue a CAS unless the student is B2. You've asked for advice which I have given and you are not happy with it so are continuing to argue the point. If they are not aware and put the TOEFL scores on his CAS for the degree course only then his application will be refused.barbie1 wrote:If they are not satisfied, how come they never said anything....why did they give him an unconditional offer? Why haven't they raised the issue with us...?Greenie wrote:
unless they have tested him in some other way then they can't be satisfied that his english is at B2 in all four components. they will be aware of the UKBA's requirements. As advised, your brother needs contac them to raise the issue.
Just to be clear, I do not mind them testing him all they like when he arrives there, he just doesn't have time to sit the TOEFL again and wait for the CAS and VISA application times. I just want him to start on time, that is all, I am confident his English in general and this particular low score will be fixed in no time. I don't see why I'd rise alarm bells when they've said absolutely nothing regarding this matter. I feel like it's all in my head...
If it was to come to their attention I wonder how they'd get him to come to the UK and get tested here before starting his course when he has to go through the same Visa procedures anyway..
Greenie wrote:the university should already be aware that they can't issue a CAS unless the student is B2. You've asked for advice which I have given and you are not happy with it so are continuing to argue the point. If they are not aware and put the TOEFL scores on his CAS for the degree course only then his application will be refused.barbie1 wrote:If they are not satisfied, how come they never said anything....why did they give him an unconditional offer? Why haven't they raised the issue with us...?Greenie wrote:
unless they have tested him in some other way then they can't be satisfied that his english is at B2 in all four components. they will be aware of the UKBA's requirements. As advised, your brother needs contac them to raise the issue.
Just to be clear, I do not mind them testing him all they like when he arrives there, he just doesn't have time to sit the TOEFL again and wait for the CAS and VISA application times. I just want him to start on time, that is all, I am confident his English in general and this particular low score will be fixed in no time. I don't see why I'd rise alarm bells when they've said absolutely nothing regarding this matter. I feel like it's all in my head...
If it was to come to their attention I wonder how they'd get him to come to the UK and get tested here before starting his course when he has to go through the same Visa procedures anyway..
They may be able to test him remotely - for example if his low score is in speaking or listening they could test over skype. They may be able to offer him a short pre-sessional course before his degree course starts and issue him a CAS to cover both the pre-sessional course and the degree course.
Your brother should speak to the univeristy.