5 years for ILR rule implemented

[rooi_ding]

Maybe it is about time we played there game, maybe we can remind Mr Bryne that he has only the 301st safest seat out of 643 with only a majority of 5449 http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/liam_b ... tingrecord , I suspect this would be our last port of call assuming we will have about 50000 people ready vote in the next election I am sure we could find ourselves a few people who are quite happy to vote to get him out of his seat. We have the most powerful tool at our disposal the ability to vote him out at the next election, this would put a dent in his political career. I am sure this will remind him of how integrated we really are, and I am sure any opposition party would love the extra support especially if we canvas votes for the.

[munhumutapa]

Has anyone thought of approaching any immigrant-friendly tabloids to get our point of view across? Honestly this 5 year rule is a shame to all of us who have earned an hionest living, paid tax and contributed to the economy.

[ssi]

munhumutapa, please have a look at
http://www.vbsi.org.uk/index.php?page=in_the_media , http://www.vbsi.org.uk/index.php?page=vbsi_on_bbc , and http://www.vbsi.org.uk/index.php?page=t ... duces_vbsi

Many immigrant communities know about the campaign : http://www.vbsi.org.uk/index.php?page=w ... _this_site

Please help to spread the word further.

[tarzan]

before talking to MP's, we should look what was their score in the last elections. to those who feel safe for the next election, we mean absolutely nothing. but to those with a considerable number of immigrant voters, if we look like from that community and have (or claim) that we have close connections, then they will listen to you.

for example, i met 2 mp's of my region. one had about 5000 more votes, the other 2000 more. the second is not very social and not well connected with the foreign born voters. the second one did listen to me, we met 2 times, he followed my letters to other mp's. was more open about what can he do, what he can not do.

so we are not powerful but at least we should try to hit mp's where it hurts.

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

All the immigrants had been Labour voters so far. Should we put a poll at VBSI website to ask people "Have they change their mind to vote Labour in next election in result of retrospective change".

And then we can run a compaign (ask all family and friends who are effected by this law) to vote at VBSI website.

If 200,000 people are going to be effected then there must be a high turnout against Labour party.

[tarzan]

good idea, if you can put the poll asking how the perception of people changed after before the changes to 4-5, i will get people to vote.

the wording of the question should mean, i was a labor supporter now i became conservative-liberal etc. or there can be 2 questions: 1st for the change of perception on labors immigration policy. 2nd on whom would -will we vote in the next election.

after getting some traffic, we can send the link to press with a letter.

[rooi_ding]

This sounds like a great idea, hope the VBSI group are listing to this one. We would have some hard evidence to show how we really feel about the change. As tarzan pointed out it would only take a few thousand votes for it to swing the other way for labor.
We could even ask people to let us know which constituency they are from so that we could get a feel for who the likely labor candidate is that would go.

[rooi_ding]

The VBSI should also start educating its supporters on voting procedures, who knows in the future they could become quite political active thus give immigrants a more vocal voice

[tarzan]

although not citizens yet, people of commonwealth countries can vote in the local elections. i am not commonwealth, i know from a friend's case.

[Christophe]

although not citizens yet, people of commonwealth countries can vote in the local elections. i am not commonwealth, i know from a friend's case.

In fact, Commonwealth (and Irish) citizens can vote at all UK elections, including Westminster elections, and at European elections, as well as at local elections and elections for the devolved parliaments/assemblies, provided that they are living in the UK.

It is citizens of EU countries who have more limited voting rights - they cannot vote at Westminster elections, although they can vote at European elections provided that they are not also voters at the election in their own country, and they can vote in local elections and for the devolved parliaments/assemblies. (Maltese and Cypriot citizens are both Commonwealth and EU, and the Commonwealth citizenship takes precedence here, so they can vote at all elections, as can Irish citizens (as noted above).) Again, their voting rights depend on them living the UK.

People who are not Commonwealth citizens and are not citizens of an EU country cannot vote in the UK.

[simar]

Hi Guys,
If a person live in uk on HSMP visa for 5 years. Can he straight apply for citizentship or it is must to have ILR status.
As I read guidance ntes on citizenship in the below link

http://www.ind.homeoffice.gov.uk/6353/1 ... eannew.pdf

It is written 5 year of stay is required before applying for citizenship. I know many may be have 1-2 month short of 5 years due to late arrival in country.

[ssi]

simar, the guide says on page 5: "You should have been free from immigration time restrictions during the last 12 months of this period." In other words, you will need to have had ILR for a year before becoming eligible.

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

Most of us will be able to vote by the next election anyway. At the moment, if we can show our muscles, that may be helpful. If we resist this time, govt may not treat us unfairly in future.

My family and friends have been labour voters but we are not going to vote for labour in coming election.

[olisun]

My family and friends have been labour voters but we are not going to vote for labour in coming election.

Maybe you should vote for the BNP....

[rooi_ding]

Yes voting for the BNP would be quite Ironic.......however people should start looking into supporting a party that we know will look after us. It would seem that labour has managed to alienate a huge potential voting population, we should all make it our responsibility to educate ourselves on what each party has to offer and to check its track record, and make a decision. I am thinking that labour has got of to a pretty bad start.

Like WP_Holder_05_2002he has now included his family we start educating our family and friends, if the statistics are right then 10% of this country is made of non UK born people. For any politician this is a huge swing vote and will decide a final election result should enough effort be put into canvassing for these votes.

The people affected might only be able to affect a few constituency but in 10 years time we could affectively influence a whole election. The one thing stopping us from doing this is the fear of retribution. But if we stand together like when the train drivers go on strike then maybe we can be heard.

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

As per current policies the Labour's behaviour is worse. But obviously no one of us is going to vote BNP..

Why this change is made?? Why they say it is not "DESIREABLE" to apply this 5 years rule from year 2011??

In my opinion the government try to get political objective by making the legal immigrants scapegoat.

In year 2006/07, there will be almost NO ILR to HSMP & Work Permit Holders. It means no passport (naturalisation) to HSMP & Work Permit Holders in 2007/08 and as Naturalisation takes more time than 12 months, there will be reduced number os approved application for naturlaisation in 2008/09.
Next election Date 2010 and government will be able to show control over borders. Just a number game.. isn't it?

Is there any other use of this change... not at all...

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

A friend of mine told me that for citizenship, we may need to wait for 24 months after ILR (instead of 12 months current rule). Is this true???

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

Ref: http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_09_ ... permit.htm

12 September 2006


Effective 11 September, 2006, a new subcategory to the existing Training and Work Experience Scheme (TWES) within the work permit arrangements is now available to qualified individuals: the Medical Training Initiatives (MTI). Students and medical professionals are encouraged to check their eligibility.

'Medical Training Initiatives' is the term given for training schemes for individuals who are sponsored by the Royal Colleges and other organizations within the medical field. A key purpose of sponsorship is to train overseas medical professionals, doctors and dentists in the UK's public health care sector before they return abroad to continue their medical practice with the new skills they have acquired.

Guidance on how to apply under MTI and a new application form (MTI1) are now available. Printed guidance will become available form the government from 27 November 2006. There will be no electronic application forms for this category.

Medical specialists who were admitted to the UK under the Immigration Rules before 03 April 2006 will be able to switch into the MTI category if there is a requirement to continue in their existing training programmed. You will need to fill out and submit an MTI application, accompanying this with full details of the sponsorship.


So doctors got something their favour as they got some bit of justice. If we keep trying may be we will get some success.

[WP_Holder_05_2002]

Any updates please.. today is exactly mid september.. any news???

[V4VENDETTA]

On the topic of updates, Its been more than 3 weeks since we last heard from Stephen Kong. He was due to update us on the JR proceedings a while back. Has anyone heard from him since?

Stephen, if your out there, Even if the JR wasn't a success, I'm sure everyone is anxious to know what happened?


Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 10:41 pm Post subject: Judicial Review Proceedings

Dear Friends,

I will update you on the Judicial Review proceedings by the end of this week.

Stephen Kong
(Partner)
for HARVEY SON & FILBY SOLICITORS

[UnfairRules]

Any updates please.. today is exactly mid september.. any news???

Are you guys still waiting for a "positive" response from the immigration minister? Don't be naive please. That's the politician's trick. The Labour party's annual meeting will be held at Manchester next week. In order to calm us down and not to organise a protest at Manchester during their meeting, they simply "promised" to look into this issue in mid-September.

Let me tell you some story.

As a work permit holder, I started to work at the end of May 2002(permanent job). I submitted an ILR application on 1st April this year and my application was still refused. At my request, my MP wrote to the immigration minister and urged him to consider my application again. At the end of August, the immigration minister made an ugly reply and strongly upheld the previous decision. If you guys had read that letter to my MP, you surely would not hope against hope.

Anyway, if we don't want to take legal action, then never ever expect the Home Office to change the 4-to-5 rules.

[ssi]

UnfairRules, was this ugly reply signed by the minister himself or sent by the IND correspondence team? Is it very different from this one: http://vbsi.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=140#140 ? If yes, could you please send a copy to info at vbsi or to BadPaul http://vbsi.org.uk/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=170#170 who is collecting material for a potential legal case. Many thanks.

[ssi]

I received this email from a friend:
"I've been looking through the Immigrationboards site and am a bit concerned at what I see. I agree with those who are saying that it's naive to think the government will reverse the 4 to 5 decision (indeed, I'm starting to worry about what other bad things they might do), and think that the announcement of some kind of decision in mid-September is nothing more than a delaying tactic - they're trying to prevent some kind of protest during or shortly before the Labour Party conference. While it's true that they have far bigger worries, extra grief from a constituency that is normally supportive of Labour doesn't help. Indeed, this is another area of concern, and I'm sorry I didn't raise this before (but see that some are realising it) - we need to be much more 'vocal' about the fact that Commonwealth citizens residing here legally have the right to vote in ALL UK elections, including parliamentary ones. There's a lot of confusion on this point (which is understandable, since the electoral law here is VERY confusing!). Therefore, I think we are neglecting a big electoral threat for those in Labour marginals - if properly organised, those of us who are Commonwealth citizens (which probably includes thousands who have been screwed by 4 to 5, and their relatives/friends) pose a threat to Labour that they cannot ignore (this was an issue in Canada a while back, and hurt the Liberals).
Please forward this on to anyone who might be interested. Sadly, I'm not a Commonwealth citizen, but those who are need to be aware of this and the potential to organise."

[try-one]

They don't have to worry about protests during the Labour Party Conference; our previous protest brought a few people, so I don't think we could bring anyone on the next one.

The news from Ref: http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_09_ ... permit.htm

12 September 2006 ---- show that the legal pressure from the doctors had results.
Personally my 4 years are due in november......and I lost any hope that the 4-5 would change....

[Miami]

Please don't give up!

What does the VBSI intend to do now?

Is it legal action or more lobbying?