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Congrats on getting your PR confirmed! You're now independent of your EU spouse, however an IO may still ask questions about your r/ship and spouse's whereabouts. This may purely be out of ignorance or efficaciousness but, whatever the case, you do not have to answer such questions.andrej wrote:Greetings all, I spent last 4 months obsessing with and collecting documentation for, filling in forms, waiting, trying to explain to my employer what EEA4 means and generally feeling under the weather. Finally I did recieve my PR 2 days ago, which makes me feel alive again. My questions are:
1. Finally with PR sticker in my NON-EEA passport, am I still considered a dependent or can I now pass the border control without being subjected to stupid questions about our relationship and where we work or live?
1 year after automatically acquiring PR - this will require producing your wife's docs again as your PR card will reflect a later date. One year after holding your PR card will not require your wife's docs. Your choice.2. How soon can I apply for UK citizenship and will then my info matter unlike EEA4 application when they only wanted to know about my EU spouse's history?
No other differences that I can think of.3. How different is PR from ILR and (from the obvious no-fee vs fee and one falling under UK law and the other under EEA law) Are they essentially treated as the same thing once granted?
Thanks very much Plim70!!! It was such a relief. I was at work when I found out the documents have arrived. I felt like jumping and screaming... still riding that wave of HIGH!!!Plum70 wrote: Congrats on getting your PR confirmed! You're now independent of your EU spouse, however an IO may still ask questions about your r/ship and spouse's whereabouts. This may purely be out of ignorance or efficaciousness but, whatever the case, you do not have to answer such questions.
1 year after automatically acquiring PR - this will require producing your wife's docs again as your PR card will reflect a later date. One year after holding your PR card will not require your wife's docs. Your choice.
Hi Plum70 could you please tell me that do we really need eea spouse for having uk citizenship???? i thought you are free from your sponsor after you have eea4 or pr..Plum70 wrote: 1 year after automatically acquiring PR - this will require producing your wife's docs again as your PR card will reflect a later date. One year after holding your PR card will not require your wife's docs. Your choice.
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Only if you wish to apply based on automatic acquisition of PR instead of date of confirmation of PR on paper.Punjab wrote:Hi Plum70 could you please tell me that do we really need eea spouse for having uk citizenship???? i thought you are free from your sponsor after you have eea4 or pr..Plum70 wrote: 1 year after automatically acquiring PR - this will require producing your wife's docs again as your PR card will reflect a later date. One year after holding your PR card will not require your wife's docs. Your choice.
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what does this mean? sorry my english not to highPlum70 wrote: Only if you wish to apply based on automatic acquisition of PR instead of date of confirmation of PR on paper.
many thanks Guerro. Its just something new for me.Guerro wrote:For example, you married in jan 2008 then you acquire permanent residence in jan 2013. So you can apply for british citizenship in jan 2014 by showing evidence that you were permanent resident at that time, meaning evidence your eea spouse exercising treaty rights. If you apply in jan 2013 for pr and lets say you get it in june 2013 and want to apply for british citizenship WITHOUT showing evidence your eea spouse exercising treaty rights, then you need to apply in june 2014 and you DON'T HAVE TO SHOW any paper from your spouse
Hi Fysicus, here is the letters we got,fysicus wrote:andrej,
can you have a look at http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=70938 and let us know if the accompanying letter or leaflet has indeed been amended correctly, as immigration minister Damian Green promised to my MP in June?
Thanks seputusseputus wrote:congrats andrej!! I'm still waiting for mine, but I expect to get it in the next 30 days...
Just a piece of advice. Yes, if you wait 1 year after your PR issue date, you can apply solely with your own evidence. However, and this almost tripped me up, you absolutely must have a guarantor (a person from a list of specific professions which has known you for 2+ years) to sign for you when you apply for citizenship. As I have moved house almost every year since arriving here this almost became an issue for me since I was changing doctors/dentists -- and I've heard there is no way around it.
So just be sure you have a guarantor lined up that can vouch for you 1 year from now. Congrats again!
Thanks Jambo - you rock!Jambo wrote:Congratulations!
The PR status is independent of your partner. Unlike the RC card which states "family member of EEA national". The PR card says just PR. No mention of your EEA family member (and I'm not sure the IO would be able to tell if this was based on your father/mother/wife/boyfriend).
Thanks andrej,andrej wrote:Hi Fysicus, here is the letters we got,fysicus wrote:andrej,
can you have a look at http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=70938 and let us know if the accompanying letter or leaflet has indeed been amended correctly, as immigration minister Damian Green promised to my MP in June?
We received 2 letters from the UKBA with one labelled ECD.3113 (which I guess to be the EEA3) and ECD.3114 (I guess EEA4).
WHAT HAPPENS IF I LEAVE THE UK?
If you leave the UK, you will normally be re-admitted as a person with a right of permanent residence provided that:
ECD.3113
• You had the right of PR when you left
• You have not been away for longer than 2 years
• In order to be considered as permanently resident here you will have to show that you are habitually and normally resident in this country and that any absences have been of a temporary or occasional nature
• You will not be re-admitted as a person with the right of PR if you are resident overseas and only return here for short periods.
• If your absence from the UK is for longer than 2 years but you can still demonstrate you had a right of PR here when you left, and you are returning for the purpose of residing in the UK, you may still qualify for admission as a returning resident with a right of PR if, for example, you have maintained strong connections with this country.
• HOWEVER, even if you do not qualify for re-admittance as a person with the right of PR, as an EEA/Swiss national you will still be admitted as a person with FM rights
Thanks
I think this is true. It may require a bit of a fight to ensure it is recognized. I have a long term plan to test it! And it is a great excuse for a regular trip back to the host country!fysicus wrote:Even if you are physically present in the UK for only one day every two years, you would not lose your PR under EEA regulations.
Regulation 15-2 is just a single sentence in plain English and I don't see room for interpretation there.
For EU citizens the benefits of PR over ordinary Free Movements rights are negligible in daily life. You have somewhat more protection against deportation and your children can be British Citizens, and that's about it. So losing PR accidentally is not a big deal for them.
For their non-EEA family members, however, the benefits are more substantial: with PR your residence right no longer depends on your EEA partner, your employer does not need to check your right to work every year, etc.
I am not sure how to measure who wins...EUsmileWEallsmile wrote:I might beat you too it.
Hey Plum70, you don't mind if I ask or anyone here can answer... Once you get PR, can you still proceed to enter UK through the EU/UK passport only line at the airport like I used to do on my residence stamp in tha last five years? Are they also not supposed to stamp the non-EU passport with the PR sticker in it? thanxPlum70 wrote:Congrats on getting your PR confirmed! You're now independent of your EU spouse, however an IO may still ask questions about your r/ship and spouse's whereabouts. This may purely be out of ignorance or efficaciousness but, whatever the case, you do not have to answer such questions.andrej wrote:Greetings all, I spent last 4 months obsessing with and collecting documentation for, filling in forms, waiting, trying to explain to my employer what EEA4 means and generally feeling under the weather. Finally I did recieve my PR 2 days ago, which makes me feel alive again. My questions are:
1. Finally with PR sticker in my NON-EEA passport, am I still considered a dependent or can I now pass the border control without being subjected to stupid questions about our relationship and where we work or live?1 year after automatically acquiring PR - this will require producing your wife's docs again as your PR card will reflect a later date. One year after holding your PR card will not require your wife's docs. Your choice.2. How soon can I apply for UK citizenship and will then my info matter unlike EEA4 application when they only wanted to know about my EU spouse's history?No other differences that I can think of.3. How different is PR from ILR and (from the obvious no-fee vs fee and one falling under UK law and the other under EEA law) Are they essentially treated as the same thing once granted?