HSMP From India - Help - Confirmation Required !!!

aim4hsmp · Post by **aim4hsmp** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:02 pm

Hi Guys ,

I need some urgent help for my HSMP Application as i am due to send in my papers by the end of this month & am just about finalising my application.

I am applying from India, working in the IT field claiming 75 Points as follows:

1) Education - 25 Points - Post Graduate Degree from India with NARIC Verification.

2) Past Earnings - 25 Points -

I plan to submit as proof of my Past Earnings the following:
a) Past 12 months Pay Slips printed on plain paper attested by Current Employer.
b) Bank Statements for past 12 months

First Question is regarding evidence for Past Earnings:
The Payslips i submit show Gross Earnings, but the Bank statements i submit show Net Earnings after deductions deposited in the Bank Account.
So the totals of these if compared - Gross Earning Vs. Net Earnings would never match. Is this a problem ?

Also, i cannot submit Tax Returns as a proof as these are for the Time Period - April-2005 to March-2006 and this does not cover the last 12 months period. So this cannot be submitted as proof of earnings. Right ?

What else do you guys suggest i should put in as proof of Earnings ?

3) Work Experience - 35 Points - 5+ Years of Graduate Level Experience.

Second Question is regarding eveidence for Work Experience:
I have had 3 employers since i started working.
Work Experience from the first 2 employers helps me cross 5+ years of experience. Is it necessary to attach Work Experience Letter from my current employer also ?

Please it would be great if Moderators and other experienced guys in this forum can help me out with my questions.

replyami · Post by **replyami** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 2:46 pm

1. Sounds good

2.
a. You can still submit April-2005 to March-2006 Tax Returns, and explain in cover letter, that tax year starts from April to March.
b. Attach you appraisal/offer which specfies gross salary.

3.Include all experience letters including current employer
NOTE: Experience letter "Roles and responsibilities" should be clear that it is a graduate level.

regards
-AMI

aim4hsmp · Post by **aim4hsmp** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 7:52 pm

Hey Ami.....thanks for the prompt reply......u just forgot to answer this part of my question ?

First Question is regarding evidence for Past Earnings:
The Payslips i submit show Gross Earnings, but the Bank statements i submit show Net Earnings after deductions deposited in the Bank Account.
So the totals of these if compared - Gross Earning Vs. Net Earnings would never match. Is this a problem ?

Post by **geriatrix** » Thu Sep 14, 2006 10:14 pm

Hi,

Bank statement(s) cannot be considered as an independent evidence of past earnings. Only if you cannot provide all payslips, can you use bankstatements for the missing payslips. As per the caseworker guidance notes - "If the applicant cannot provide all the payslips, bank statements could be used to back the wage slips up as confirmation that the salary has been paid over the period in question. If bank statements are used as evidence the statements must clearly show the payment has come from the employer".

Please also note that tax returns too cannot be considered as independent proff of past earnings if the tax return doesn't cover the required 12 month period (i.e.- 12 month immeidately prior to your application). Any evidence that doesn't cover the correct 12 month period cannot be treated as an independent evidence, and this fact is clearly mentioned in the caseworker guidance notes - "If the applicant has submitted any evidence that doesn’t cover the correct period it cannot be used to assess the application".

In addition to the salary slips, try and get a letter from your employer certifying gross salary payouts to you for the 12 months. This letter from employer is an acceptable evidence.

regards

vorionsanty · Post by **vorionsanty** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:09 am

can any one(moderators/members/status gurus/specialists)plz help me in this regard

i have one doubt regarding my experience
1) when i was doing my ms in telecomm engg in australia melbourne as a student i worked as a technical sales representative which clearly specifies that it requires graduate level and during that period i will be restricted to only 20hrs which all u know and it is partime job. will this experience which i have done for one year will be considered as an experience by hsmp team.

plz kindly help me in this regard

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aim4hsmp · Post by **aim4hsmp** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:17 am

Thanks for the Response sush.....i get the point........would it be correct if i say i would use Salary Slips as my main evidence for Proof Of Earnings ,,,,and as secondary evidence use Bank Statements & Letter from Employer to confirm the salary slips.

The same question again but i need to confirm this:
The Payslips i submit show Gross Earnings, but the Bank statements i submit show Net Earnings after deductions deposited in the Bank Account.
So the totals of these if compared - Gross Earning Vs. Net Earnings would never match. Is this a problem ?

vorionsanty · Post by **vorionsanty** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:20 am

hi sushdmehta i have few doubts if u can help me that would be of great help thx. below r the statements plz do go thru them.

plz help me in this regard

i have one doubt regarding my experience
1) when i was doing my ms in telecomm engg in australia melbourne as a student i worked as a technical sales representative which clearly specifies that it requires graduate level and during that period i will be restricted to only 20hrs which all u know and it is partime job. will this experience which i have done for one year will be considered as an experience by hsmp team.

plz kindly help me in this regard

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Thank you!

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aim4hsmp · Post by **aim4hsmp** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 5:27 am

vorion ,,,can you please start a new post for getting your questions answered.....u seem to be confusing the current thread !!!

Post by **geriatrix** » Fri Sep 15, 2006 10:28 am

Varionsanty
You have tried to post your query in almost all the recent posts without taking consideration whether that post deals with an issue similar to your or not !! It would have been much better if you had started a new post to bring your concern to the attention of the forum members.

Anyways, with regards to your query, in my opinion the answer is NO. As per HSMP guidelines, only full-time experience can be taken into account. Student visa allows 20hrs a week during term time, and that is not considered as full-time experience.

aim4hsmp
I think if you submit the following, they can be treated as 2 independent evidences of past earnings:-
1. Salary slips of the 12 months in consideration (if not on letterhead, make sure you get them signed and stamped).
2. Letter from employer certifying salary payouts during the 12 months. (include a table to show - date of payment, month of salary, gross amount, deductions - tax, PF etc., and net payment).

You can use the following as "supplementary" evidence, if you wish to:-
1. Bank statements clearly highlighting entries that reflect salary credit. Make sure that there're no multiple entries in a month to reflect salary credits in installments. eg.- salary going into account on one day; and perkes being credited on another !! If such is the case, DO NOT use bankstatements as evidence.
2. Tax Return.

Hope this helps.

regards

panky922 · Post by **panky922** » Mon Sep 18, 2006 10:35 pm

I am applying in the category of 28+ and for me the salary i need to show is >7500 pounds.

Problem - my offer letter shows a sal of >8 lacs INR but it includes bonus and other perqs like Lunch, PF, Gratuity etc. therefore, my annual salary in hand (which is shown in the salary slips) comes out toe be only 6 lacs per annum and 6 lacs INR comes out to be less than 7500 pounds.

My company gives out bonus (>1 lacs) only in the next financial year, so not sure if i can count it in my annual income. (i have stayed with this company only for last one year and other ex employers have paid me much lesser than that rquired for HSMP).

Does HSMP considers 8 lacs as my salary or 6 lacs (as shown in sal slips).

I had planned to give both Offer letter and salary slips as the proof. other proofs like Tax statements and bank statements will also show ~6 lacs as the income.

Do you think case worker is likely to reject my case ?

Post by **geriatrix** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 10:53 am

Hi Panky922,

Basic requirements:-
1. Evidence of past earnings should cover the correct 12 month period.
2. You need 2 pieces of independent evidences to prove your past earnings, and both evidences should be for the correct 12 month period.
3. It is the "gross" earnings you earned in the 12 months, and not the "net" earnings that are taken into account.
4. Anything missing on the payslips is usually not considered as "earnings" e.g. - company contribution to PF, gratuity, cash re-imbursements if any.

An appintment letter confirms what an employee is likely to earn in the next 12 months. But what an HSMP caseworker needs is the "past earning" - income already earned in the 12 months - that you have or can provide evidence of. Usually earnings and perkes like PF, gratuity, cash re-imbursements etc. fall into the cracks because in most of the cases these are not mentioned in the payslips and it is equally difficult to get a letter from the employer certifying that such things have been paid to your account.

If only you can only prove 8Lac of earnings in the past (by way of certificate from employer, letter from accountant etc.), will you be able to claim points.

regards

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 11:13 am

Hi SushdMehta,

Say we attach IT Returns/Form-16 for 2005-2006 year which looks at earnings from Apr2005- Mar2006. Say, I am applying in Sept 2006. I will be showing Payslips from Sep2005 to Aug2006 as evidences but I cannot show Payslips of Apr2005- Mar2006. We get hikes in Apr2006 and salary from Apr2006 to Aug 2006 will be the hiked one. So Payslips and IT Returns never match unless there is no hike in salary. Even bank statements show only 'NET' salary and if they add 'NET' salary on payslip it can match.. So do we show only 'NET' salary on the Application Form to show two statements which match?
One more thing is do bank statements downloaded from net need attestation from bank officials?

Post by **geriatrix** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 12:30 pm

Hi sssm,

Say, I am applying in Sept 2006.

Then the correct 12 month period for consideration in HSMP application is September 2005 to August 2006.

In this case, as you have rightly mentioned, the Form-16/Tax return for year 2005 - 2006 will never match the "gross earnings" figure of the salary slips. Therefore, you should get a letter from your employer certifying your salary payouts from September 2005 - August 2006. This letter from the employer will be accepted as 2nd independent evidence of past earnings (payslips being the 1st evidence). Request your employer to issue you a letter clearly mentioning the following (for each month of the 12 month period) - Gross earning, deductions - tax, PF etc., and net earnings. This way you'll have 2 independent evidences where both the "gross" and the "net" earnings will match.

Please remember that though Tax Returns are the "preferred" evidence of past earnings BUT if they do not cover the correct 12 month period, it has no use as "an independent evidence". You can only use them as "supplementary evidence" to support your claims.

Similarly, bank statements can be used as "backup evidence" for any payslips to show net salary credits. Bank statements should not be used as independent evidence unless your "net salary" itself is more than the minimum requirement.

All this is clearly metioned in the internal caseworker guidance notes, and my suggestion as above is based on that.

One more thing is do bank statements downloaded from net need attestation from bank officials?

Most banks in India should have no problems issuing you a duplicate statement for an additional fee. Suggest you opt for this. But yes, if it is a web printout and if it is acceptable for HSMP, you definitely need to get it signed and stamped from the bank.

regards

root · Post by **root** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:11 pm

I just submit my 12 months pay slips and employer letter and I got straight numbers in this section.

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 1:41 pm

hi Root,
Employee letter meaning..a separate statement from employer giving total salary for 12 months equal to payslip?
Or its just a letter from HR stating that you were in service with them during that period?

root · Post by **root** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 2:44 pm

It was complete breakdown of salary during one year statign total salary equal to pay slips and also showed them in british pounds
like 1£=115 PKR

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 3:51 pm

in Pastearnings.pdf which is caseworkers' guidance document to assess our pastearnings.. I just saw a statement which says

<QUOTE>
"The applicant should send in the most recent tax return. The caseworker should be aware that taxation periods vary across the world and therefore the return may not cover the whole 12 month period. In cases like these the wage slips should used to confirm earnings."
<UNQUOTE>

So I think a small brief description of our taxation months should be fine.

What are your thoughts?

Post by **geriatrix** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 4:38 pm

sssm,

Please view http://www.immigrationboards.com/viewtopic.php?t=10110

regards

Post by **geriatrix** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:13 pm

root wrote:I just submit my 12 months pay slips and employer letter and I got straight numbers in this section.

Exactly .. as this gives no excuse to the caseworker to reject application for "lack of explicit supporting evidence".

regards

root · Post by **root** » Tue Sep 19, 2006 5:22 pm

Please dont submit bank statements with pay slips.

submit employer letter stating u r employee and this employee is getting salary this and this and such benefits so complete salary of 12 months are e.g 30,000 *12=360,000

1£=105 INR so.... total Income over 12 months are ......

signature of employer

thats it
try to get letter from employer.
i saw many refusals on basis of bank statements as caseworkers sometimes unable to understand bank statements

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 5:21 am

Hi,
How about getting a letter from CA on his letter head for the 12 months shown in payslips?

root · Post by **root** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:03 am

yes it can be accountant of the company , but prefer is ur head or boss

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:29 am

Can't it be got from a CA who runs his own firm and not linked to my current company?

root · Post by **root** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 6:59 am

what problem u r having to get it from employer?
If he can give u refrence letter then he can also give u income certificate???

sssm · Post by **sssm** » Wed Sep 20, 2006 9:47 am

My problem is I cannot get refernce letter from my current employer. I am using my previous companies' experience to qualify in work experience section.

So I dont think I get salary cert on company letter head.

Can I get an outside CA to get certificate on his letter head?

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HSMP From India - Help - Confirmation Required !!!

HSMP From India - Help - Confirmation Required !!!