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More than 450 colleges closed

Post by Aryan2013 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 1:00 pm

"new figures revealed that the government's curb on overseas students had reduced their numbers by 11,000 and led to more than 450 colleges pulling out of the market."

As pointed out in the article "Britain could not afford to make the same costly mistakes as the US and Australia which both curbed overseas students numbers and then dropped the policy when they realised it had seriously damaged the international competitiveness of their higher education sector."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... reputation

Its time to wake up before its too late!!

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Post by Deviser » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:02 pm

All we can say that when the death comes near, a jackal start walking towards city.

Its been stated many times that Education is worth more to UK than banking or the automotive industry. It’s a seventh biggest export of UK. In 2001-02 UK generate £23 billions from education sector, which jump up to £28 billions in 2003-04 and further jump up to 33.4 billions in 2008.

International students spend approximately £5 billions on living costs while they are in the UK, which is one of biggest contribution to economic cycle of UK. Thousands of jobs in teaching sector created by arrival of foreign students. Foreign university students subsidise domestic ones, who pay lower fees, and keep labs open, they do the lion’s share of postgraduate scientific research. And many schools are thriving and creating jobs thanks to foreign students. Service sectors like Hostel services, travel and tour services and transport services also make huge money from them and there is a significant contribution of them toward why a flights lands at Heathrow in every 46 seconds.

In addition, those students not only work, they pay huge amount towards taxes and national insurance contribution and almost 85% of them leave UK without claiming it back. According to Home Office own figures, only 3% foreign student stay in UK permanently through other settlement routes. The UK Govt. is free to use that EXTRA money on which they don’t need to pay a single penny as return EVER.

Almost, every sensible related person/organization oppose those hopeless changes to student laws but authorities didn’t listen and still they are saying that those colleges who closed down were bogus colleges, abusing the system and were just visa factories. Estimates reveals that 40% of international students go through such colleges before going taking a degree at a British university. So actually they are just cutting a tree- branch on which they are sitting.

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Re: More than 450 colleges closed

Post by SSEF » Wed Nov 02, 2011 7:58 pm

Aryan2013 wrote:"new figures revealed that the government's curb on overseas students had reduced their numbers by 11,000 and led to more than 450 colleges pulling out of the market."

As pointed out in the article "Britain could not afford to make the same costly mistakes as the US and Australia which both curbed overseas students numbers and then dropped the policy when they realised it had seriously damaged the international competitiveness of their higher education sector."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/201 ... reputation

Its time to wake up before its too late!!
450 is nothing, I live in Manchester and along Stockport Road there WERE a considerable amount of dodgy "colleges" above kabab shops offering "dodgy" IT diplomas, good riddence to them, all of my friends who came here to study, studied at reputable colleges and universities and gained employed with reputable companies after gaining excellent qualifications, they're not working as security guards (Im currently managing a project and some of security are on PWS visas - all IT grads! - I had to double check the application forms for compliance)

I will say this and most will agree - those that come to this country to gain a good education and good qualifications which will enable them to offer the UK something will always succeed....Those who come here only to abuse this route will not.

Let's face facts, the changes only came about because of the abuse of student visas route which has enabled 1,000s to live here permantently..Which I would imagine is frustrating for those who are genuine who would have liked the chance of being able to work in the UK for a couple of years after getting a decent degree... To be honest, I find it frustrating, my friends sister will not be able to get a PWS visa even though she a very smart girl who could have gained a lot by being able to work in the field she is studying in for a couple of years in the UK.

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Post by Aryan2013 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:27 pm

"Further measures to tighten the student regime are due in April. The post study work route, which has allowed graduates free labour market access, will be closed and students wishing to stay and work will need to apply under the skilled workers visa route . There will also be new time limits on student visas and tougher rules on work placements."

http://www.ukba.homeoffice.gov.uk/sitec ... isa-system

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Post by Aryan2013 » Wed Nov 02, 2011 8:35 pm

One would have hoped that ministers in UK will learn from the mistakes of USA or Australia but NO, they will learn from their own mistakes or will they???
Only time will tell and anyway SUN is rising in the east!

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Post by SSEF » Thu Nov 03, 2011 11:14 pm

Aryan2013 wrote:One would have hoped that ministers in UK will learn from the mistakes of USA or Australia but NO, they will learn from their own mistakes or will they???
Only time will tell and anyway SUN is rising in the east!
Can you elaborate?

You mention countries with the land mass about 20 times that of the UK, you evidently have no idea of the consequencies of immigration to such a small island, your view is somewhat blinkered...I would ask you to go away and think before even comparing the UK to the US and Aus...As for sun rising in the East, good luck to those who want to go the Asia for a degree, let's see how it tranfers to a European market...

One would think that your inteligent immigrant in this country would see the rules as something good, since it safeguards the future of their family and their future...One has to think further than the next meal..Rather than the here and now and how many people we can cram on a small island...

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Post by Deviser » Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:31 pm

You cannot only blame bogus students or colleges for those cruel restrictions on student visas. They have nothing to do with those changes as they did whatever authorities allow them to do. HO always knows everything that which college/student is doing what but that was a good time and UK need workers. Authorities deliberately allow bogus colleges to bring bogus students to fill the work force gap. It’s just a weak excuse to do all those changes that 'abuse' will force them to put those restrictions. It’s not 'abuse', its economical condition of UK. Authorities do not want any new Non-EU to work in UK, as economical conditions are not allowing them to do that and their own people struggling to get work. If they want, at least they can allow PSW visa for University degree students, (as they allow work) but UKBA treating a bogus college PGD student with an Oxford graduate in a same manner.

Actually, everything relates to money and economy. By 2006-7 they were lenient more then they need. Even students were here from South Asia who couldn’t write their name and don’t know how to sign, they even don’t know a single word of English but they were doing PGDs, MPhil and PhD and getting PSW visas. Famous fake American universities were in UK with established campuses by the kind approval of HO, i.e. Preston University. And also HO was doing all efforts to stop students to leave UK by various schemes like HSMP, SEGS, IGS, FTS..bla bla bla..but its all about good time and when everything was fine.

When global economical crisis start, UK was the one of those countries who badly affected and suffering credit crunch. Home mortgages become negative and financial institution start collapse (i.e. Northern Rock) and at the same time people from EU (i.e. Poland and Czech) start moving to UK. That was the time when every one start crying on immigration and student visas, as they think they don’t need anymore Non-EU migrants and odd jobs gap can be filled up by the people moving from poor EU countries. HO starts putting restrictions by introducing strict laws on student and work visas and established a new agency UKBA to control immigration. After that all work schemes closed by UKBA, they start rejecting student visas without IELTS, introduced high visa fees and then PBS introduced. Today, almost every work visa route has been closed and UKBA rejecting student visas even if applicant did not answer their phone call. But they are doing a mistake by treating all students in same manner.

But above all, whatever they are doing they have rights to do that, as UK is their country. Its up to them whom they allow to study and work in UK. Students have their own options open like US, Canada and Australia as today we are living in a competitive world. Education is an investment today and international students are adequately sensible to think about which country will give the best return on their investments.

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Post by Tier 4 » Sat Nov 05, 2011 6:44 pm

Deviser wrote:You cannot only blame bogus students or colleges for those cruel restrictions on student visas. They have nothing to do with those changes as they did whatever authorities allow them to do. HO always knows everything that which college/student is doing what but that was a good time and UK need workers. Authorities deliberately allow bogus colleges to bring bogus students to fill the work force gap. It’s just a weak excuse to do all those changes that 'abuse' will force them to put those restrictions. It’s not 'abuse', its economical condition of UK. Authorities do not want any new Non-EU to work in UK, as economical conditions are not allowing them to do that and their own people struggling to get work. If they want, at least they can allow PSW visa for University degree students, (as they allow work) but UKBA treating a bogus college PGD student with an Oxford graduate in a same manner.

Actually, everything relates to money and economy. By 2006-7 they were lenient more then they need. Even students were here from South Asia who couldn’t write their name and don’t know how to sign, they even don’t know a single word of English but they were doing PGDs, MPhil and PhD and getting PSW visas. Famous fake American universities were in UK with established campuses by the kind approval of HO, i.e. Preston University. And also HO was doing all efforts to stop students to leave UK by various schemes like HSMP, SEGS, IGS, FTS..bla bla bla..but its all about good time and when everything was fine.

When global economical crisis start, UK was the one of those countries who badly affected and suffering credit crunch. Home mortgages become negative and financial institution start collapse (i.e. Northern Rock) and at the same time people from EU (i.e. Poland and Czech) start moving to UK. That was the time when every one start crying on immigration and student visas, as they think they don’t need anymore Non-EU migrants and odd jobs gap can be filled up by the people moving from poor EU countries. HO starts putting restrictions by introducing strict laws on student and work visas and established a new agency UKBA to control immigration. After that all work schemes closed by UKBA, they start rejecting student visas without IELTS, introduced high visa fees and then PBS introduced. Today, almost every work visa route has been closed and UKBA rejecting student visas even if applicant did not answer their phone call. But they are doing a mistake by treating all students in same manner.

But above all, whatever they are doing they have rights to do that, as UK is their country. Its up to them whom they allow to study and work in UK. Students have their own options open like US, Canada and Australia as today we are living in a competitive world. Education is an investment today and international students are adequately sensible to think about which country will give the best return on their investments.
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